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    Quote Originally Posted by Dustytome View Post
    Yes, this is my dream healer.



    Have you done your Astrologian stormblood questline? It basically goes over the similarities between the two, but geo's look to the earth instead of the sky.
    Chemist makes less sense since we already have a potion master in Alchemist, and potions can be freely consumed by anyone regardless of job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andevom View Post
    Chemist makes less sense since we already have a potion master in Alchemist, and potions can be freely consumed by anyone regardless of job.
    But potions are practically useless in this game. At least a Chemist would help give them some use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andevom View Post
    Chemist makes less sense since we already have a potion master in Alchemist, and potions can be freely consumed by anyone regardless of job.
    So in that case real life doctors are useless because we can buy otc medicine?

    Anyways as for the discussion of alchemist = chemist it doesn't mean they can't give them some other cool name. One that has grown on me that others have suggested is medicus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brightshadow View Post
    So in that case real life doctors are useless because we can buy otc medicine?
    ...What? Are you really trying to equate a fantasy MMORPG to real life to form an argument? And secondly, doctors don't make or augment medicine, they prescribe it based on a diagnosis.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brightshadow View Post
    Anyways as for the discussion of alchemist = chemist it doesn't mean they can't give them some other cool name. One that has grown on me that others have suggested is medicus.
    I'm not even arguing the name, more how the mechanics of the job don't really work with XIV's gameplay. Chemists fool around with stuff in your inventory to make either buffing or damaging effects. Works great in a turn based RPG where you can open up menus easily. Strip that away, and you're just going more for the aesthetic than the actual function of the job.
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    ...What? Are you really trying to equate a fantasy MMORPG to real life to form an argument? And secondly, doctors don't make or augment medicine, they prescribe it based on a diagnosis.
    Because you are equating that alchemist and battle chemist are the same thing when in reality they aren't so I am presenting a real life example of how to think of it. Sure doctors prescribe the medication but if you were to take whatever you thought was good enough you would probably hurt yourself or kill yourself. ALAS why chemist could be a medicus because they have knowledge on how to take more advance medication and how to combine it with other medicine for glorious effects.

    I'm not even arguing the name
    The name was brought up because many people have discuss how alchemist = chemist which isn't true, they are similar ill give them that.

    more how the mechanics of the job don't really work with XIV's gameplay. Chemists fool around with stuff in your inventory to make either buffing or damaging effects. Works great in a turn based RPG where you can open up menus easily. Strip that away, and you're just going more for the aesthetic than the actual function of the job.
    And with that logic why don't machinist and bards have to buy bolts and bullets? I don't see anyone complaining about that ruining the aesthetic and function of the job. What people mostly want with a chemist is a job that aesthetic uses potions and has the mix command which can be accomplished with some type of system like the mudra system.

    Doctors don't make the medicine itself any more effective. Someone else pouring a potion down your throat doesn't make the potion any more significant than if you drank it yourself. Lobbing it at someone would affect its potency, admittedly, but only for the worse.
    But they administrate the medicine and doctors can prescribe two or more medications to make them more effective which is essentially what the mix command does. If we didn't have doctors/medics we would have alot of more dead people around the world due to overdoses and such.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brightshadow View Post
    So in that case real life doctors are useless because we can buy otc medicine?
    Doctors don't make the medicine itself any more effective. Someone else pouring a potion down your throat doesn't make the potion any more significant than if you drank it yourself. Lobbing it at someone would affect its potency, admittedly, but only for the worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andevom View Post
    Chemist makes less sense since we already have a potion master in Alchemist, and potions can be freely consumed by anyone regardless of job.
    FYI, in Japanese the job is not called Chemist. They're called アイテム士, or "Item User". So the existence of Alchemist/錬金術師 wouldn't make much of a difference to the devs or the JP players.
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    * The sad thing is that FFXIV turned RDM into a turret, and people think that's what it's supposed to be. It's supposed to combine sword and magic into something more, not spend the bulk of gameplay spamming spells and jump into melee for only 3 GCDs before scurrying back to the back line like good little casters.
    * Design ideas:
    Red Mage - COMPLETE (https://tinyurl.com/y6tsbnjh), Chemist - Second Pass (https://tinyurl.com/ssuog88), Thief - First Pass (https://tinyurl.com/vdjpkoa), Rune Fencer - First Pass (https://tinyurl.com/y3fomdp2)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andevom View Post
    Chemist makes less sense since we already have a potion master in Alchemist, and potions can be freely consumed by anyone regardless of job.
    How would it not make sense? Have some ALC stay at home and have battle ALC's aka CHM's.
    They can just have 2 branches or something. The CHM's would be the ones that aid
    people in the battlefield. Not that hard to really come up with a story on it lol.

    I don't even care how they do it at this point. I just wanna new healer dangit lol.
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    Last edited by Jybril; 11-09-2019 at 12:35 AM. Reason: Typo.