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  1. #241
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    BloodRubyXII's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ahzuran View Post
    There's plenty of people who are good at PvP who are welcoming these changes. God forbid we like some competitive games when none of our friends are online in a casual PvP mode like frontlines.
    Don't kid yourself, absolutely no-one is good at this game. People just suck less than others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceboy View Post
    PVE casuals ruining PVP for people who like pvp because they can't form their own parties/improve themselves? Nothing new under the sun I guess.

    Waiting for Top 100 feast to be gone and just hand out free season rewards for everyone and a kiss in the forehead.
    Oh no, they took away our 24 man premades vs randoms unbalanced matches, what should we pro pleyers do now?! Git personal skills gut? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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  3. #243
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    I love these new changes.

    I mean lets be real, do not pretend that premade 24 man groups are after anything other then total domination for easy wins, those who truly claim to care about pvp beyond simple rewards should welcome a more balanced pvp for more exciting matches.
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  4. #244
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devils_Lawyer View Post
    I love these new changes.

    I mean lets be real, do not pretend that premade 24 man groups are after anything other then total domination for easy wins, those who truly claim to care about pvp beyond simple rewards should welcome a more balanced pvp for more exciting matches.
    The matches aren't more exciting, nor is it more balanced. My first match of today we won by over 1100 points, it's just random chance now, that isn't a positive change. There isn't an even skill distrubution, it isn't any more "fair", there are still completely one sided matches and the general quality of the matches hasn't improved, there hasn't been a bunch of really close matches with good plays on all sides today. You queue up and either get enough people with a clue to pretty much dominate as before, or you spend a match unable to do anything as people spam alliance chat with "don't chase <se.3>" "fall back <se.1>" "objectives > kills"
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  5. #245
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhais View Post
    The matches aren't more exciting, nor is it more balanced. My first match of today we won by over 1100 points, it's just random chance now, that isn't a positive change. There isn't an even skill distrubution, it isn't any more "fair", there are still completely one sided matches and the general quality of the matches hasn't improved, there hasn't been a bunch of really close matches with good plays on all sides today. You queue up and either get enough people with a clue to pretty much dominate as before, or you spend a match unable to do anything as people spam alliance chat with "don't chase <se.3>" "fall back <se.1>" "objectives > kills"

    A few matches I had today two GC were within 200 points at the end of the match. They felt a lot more even. Also saw multiple players from different GCs get achievements with win. Almost all I ever saw before was Maelstrom. I would still like to see 8 mans brought back with some more adjustments. Instead of a knee jerk reaction to the premades look at how they affect random games and how that can be mitigated to keep it at least partially competitive for all involved.



    You are right at this point SE has no system in place to distribute skill to even out teams. But it is way fairer then the old system. The old system had zero chance to randomize players. No one seems to comment on this little tidbit in the patch notes.
    To improve randomization of party members in Frontline campaigns, players are no longer assigned according to their Grand Company membership, and are instead treated as being freelancers.

    "Further adjustments to this feature are planned for future updates."



    The old system could never get better and could be abused. No one can argue that point. I won't hold my breath, but this is a necessary step to building a better matchmaking system. I wouldn't be surprised though if we don't see another update working on matchmaking till 6.18.
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  6. #246
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhais View Post
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    I found them to be more even then they used to be atleast, even so i rather have a system that relies on a bit of rng then one where my odds are stacked against me every single time because of premades.
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  7. #247
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    Heck, even with games that have actual matchmaking and better communication tools this still happens. Stomps and dumpster fires and all. Not sure if people are getting accustomed to competitive multiplayer games.
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    The change to full freelancer is great; not only is the playing field far more even, there's a deluge of sweet sweet tears from people accustomed to being carried.
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  9. #249
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    Quote Originally Posted by Corbeau View Post
    The change to full freelancer is great; not only is the playing field far more even, there's a deluge of sweet sweet tears from people accustomed to being carried.
    I guess if we are going to make up a bunch of crap just to make people with a different opinion look bad I'm going to go with you are just gloating because now you can manage to get some wins while getting carried by the people that made up those evil premades that were always making it hard to get your mount with little to no effort put in.
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  10. #250
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rhais View Post
    I guess if we are going to make up a bunch of crap just to make people with a different opinion look bad I'm going to go with you are just gloating because now you can manage to get some wins while getting carried by the people that made up those evil premades that were always making it hard to get your mount with little to no effort put in.
    Premades having advantage is a fact, in other pvp games match making is matching premades vs premades not vs solo.
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