The Frontlines Premade issue has not been fixed.

[Noitems]

How can it possibly be worst then this? https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...cgroup=Crystal This is not the only one like this, just the worst. Literally the only way it can get worse is if the people who were abusing the system take their ball and go home and we get no matches at all. But that is subjective too no game or a horrible game.



Ques are already a little sad during the day at about 3pm east coast time US when I start queing It can be 30 mins. Some people who miss pops because the way the duty finder fills is strange can be sitting at over an hour. Then the people who don't want change will claim that the change is bad because feast will siphon off even more people queing.

Keep in mind that the standings list your win for a GC even if you go Freelancer. For all we know a majority of these people could just be Freelancing. It's not the most accurate to judge, however I do know a fair amount of people in there that are almost always on Mael normally. When people get their mounts those spots will start dropping for those just syncing in.

[Moonlite]

Keep in mind that the standings list your win for a GC even if you go Freelancer. For all we know a majority of these people could just be Freelancing. It's not the most accurate to judge, however I do know a fair amount of people in there that are almost always on Mael normally. When people get their mounts those spots will start dropping for those just syncing in.

OK, thank you but I do know how achievements work in pvp. I am sure you meant well as some don't understand how they work still and we have had freelancer since HWs


Now lets cover a few things these same people that scream murder that they don't want to play with others are freelancing. Next you just admitted they are refusing to que other GCs while getting their mount. Finally and the most flawed part of your response. Somehow those people freelanced and won on adders and flames. Yet at the same time while they were winning on the adders and flames only 5(maybe 4) of those adders and flames got wins as well. You can not seriously be using the they might have won as freelancer. The math to make that leap is astounding. Someone who is way better at math then me could probably come up with some sort of formula/number. My just number out of the air. Is if one GC has over 80 of 100 spots they are not freelancing. That would still mean that one GC has at least 8 times more winners.



What also came up today with some one was "How would these same people feel if a group found a loophole to que a full party into feast?" I was kind of shocked I hadn't thought of that. But I am sure also some people are on discord and move into channels with each other when they get together in a match. So maybe these people don't care what they do to get wins, was what I came up with.

[BloodRubyXII]

OK, thank you but I do know how achievements work in pvp. I am sure you meant well as some don't understand how they work still and we have had freelancer since HWs

What also came up today with some one was "How would these same people feel if a group found a loophole to que a full party into feast?".

Achievements have nothing to do with what he said lol.


Also the two scenarios are not comparable. Feast queues are based on role so if all 4 of you tried syncing, your healer would get an instant pop, the rest of you would be in a 5-20 minute queue. Other than it being scummy there's a reason no one does it. Frontlines do not have the same system.

[Moonlite]

Achievements have nothing to do with what he said lol.


Also the two scenarios are not comparable. Feast queues are based on role so if all 4 of you tried syncing, your healer would get an instant pop, the rest of you would be in a 5-20 minute queue. Other than it being scummy there's a reason no one does it. Frontlines do not have the same system.

I meant that wins/achievments system since HWs has been the same for counting and pretending they freelanced those wins on other GCs was silly.


Next I didn't say it was possible. I said how would they feel if players found a loophole to abuse the system the same way. Just because something is broken in game doesn't mean you should do it. Specially if you wouldn't defend the same behavior in other aspects of the game. So even knowing that it would be very unlikely to stack players onto a feast team. If players figured out a way to play with their friends and improve the quality of players they could play with. Which are two of the most common complaints. You would approve that? If so I am sorry for questioning the defense of the current state of frontlines. It is clear that we have very different opinions about fair play. I respect someone who can come out and say they are on that side even if I think the reason is questionable.



So future "sorry" if that is how people think these modes should be played.

[BloodRubyXII]

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You still don't get it. What is it with this section and having to write something 6 different ways before they get it. I am Adders. For arguments sake I freelance and get 40 wins on Maelstrom in a week, and 15 on Adders. I'll show up on ladder as having 55 Adders wins. What does this have to do with achievements in the slightest? He never mentioned anything about achievements. I think what you meant to say was "I know how freelancing works in relation to the ladder". This would make sense, or at least, it would if in the previous post you hadn't linked the FL Ladder to substantiate your argument. The second part of your post makes "sense"; but talks in multiple hypotheticals and the more of them you use in a discussion instead of practical evidence that's in front of you (ie, the ladder, which unfortunately we've already covered as "doesn't mean much") the less substance there is to your argument.

And again, I'm having to reword something that would seemingly be quite simple to just about anyone who has even queued one game of Feast in their life; there can't be a loophole in exactly the way you're suggesting because of the way our queue system works. It'd be like having 4 people try to individually queue sync levelling roulette, what do you think the chances are they'll all get in the same one? Slim to non existent; because they'll all have different role positions in the queue. We don't "need" to stack players on a Feast team, everyone knows everyone above Plat anyway and for the most part, people do get on and like each other; as far as I'm concerned, 60% of the time I'm already on a stacked team with my friends, and 30 out of the remaining 40 there's at least 2 people I'll know. This isn't unique to Light or Chaos, it just happens to also be the exact same on Crystal - where you're based. The vast majority of times, at ranks that actually matter, I'm happy with the quality of team I've been given, even if I will whinge about a singular weak link in it in Discord. Probably best not to talk in hypotheticals about something you clearly know nothing about; no disrespect meant.

[Moonlite]

You still don't get it. What is it with this section and having to write something 6 different ways before they get it. I am Adders. For arguments sake I freelance and get 40 wins on Maelstrom in a week, and 15 on Adders. I'll show up on ladder as having 55 Adders wins. What does this have to do with achievements in the slightest? He never mentioned anything about achievements.

Look at the ladder again. You are saying those players freelanced. Won a percentage of games on other GCs. Yet still only 4 other people from other two GCs made the list. Do you think that is actually possible. That you got 15 adder(example) wins. Those players got no other wins except when you were on the team. That the pool of players is so large that you never met the same players or a percentage of players when you won on adders. They are not freelancing wins the idea that the list looks the way it does because Mael freelanced won a percentage of games freelanced and was able to push all other GC players out of that list seems almost impossible.

And again, I'm having to reword something that would seemingly be quite simple to just about anyone who has even queued one game of Feast in their life; there can't be a loophole in exactly the way you're suggesting because of the way our queue system works. I The vast majority of times, at ranks that actually matter, I'm happy with the quality of team I've been given, even if I will whinge about a singular weak link in it in Discord. Probably best not to talk in hypotheticals about something you clearly know nothing about; no disrespect meant.

You are missing my point. I understand it is impossible as currently constructed in feast to stack teams. That you are also generally happy with the distribution of players under the current ranking system in feast. I am asking would you defend a system that allowed trying to create teams that go past the max amount of players the devs allow on teams. So ranked feast you get one player on frontline you get four. The grand companies is a loophole in frontlines. I am trying to understand. That the reasons given playing with friends and players that are deemed better. Should be allowed to bypass systems built into the game. This is the type of behavior that players approve of. You also get the advantage knowing you don't have to worry about people actually abusing feast que. So I will have to take you at your honest word.