The Frontlines Premade issue has not been fixed.

[Mistress_Irika]

Yes, adapt against a dedicated group of pvpers with a random assortment of pugs. Yes, adapt. Come up with a very good strat, callout macros, all while playing your role 100% against a bloodthirsty group and get the monkeys to listen and maybe play their job well. Now I know what to do against a wave of mutilation. Why exactly do you think people premade to begin with?

Various reasons, one of them being able to avoid that type of problem that you just describe.

There are some people that queues in with little to no clue of exactly what to do in that current game that's expecting for someone to show them the way. Not everyone has the same experience. Can you really blame the pugs?

Either way, I'm still sticking with the issue being an adaption issue. What I mean is that there are options that hasn't been tried yet to deal with that type of group. It's hard to say in 72 man, because it's hard working with a big group whether you're premading or not. 24 man you have a bigger impact with how the game goes whether people know it or not.

Let's say, for example, that the bloodthirsty group is taking your base and is on their way to your spawn camp. Does anyone on your team have a Plan B or C to deal with this?

[Moonlite]

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My take is not adapting but rotating maps. Pugs didn't have as a big disparity now as they used to when only one mode was active. Even the most casual player will get an understanding for the game/map when it is the only one they see for 6 months.

[awesomega]

This is a ridiculous conversation that really doesn't require 20 pages. Of course premades are oppressive. Imagine queing solo, as good as you think you are, facing 8 people greater or equal to your skill level. Ffs your playing against people that have literally spent 2+ years of their life of game time in that game mode. Imagine betting your money, what kind of odds would you want. The real question is if we should care, its just a casual format to begin with. I mean if your singular goal is to make the game mode fair then a forced solo freelancer q would be required. Doing so would ruin the experience for some, again ultimately its a game and people should be having fun and that means playing with friends.

[ReishaLizha]

Various reasons, one of them being able to avoid that type of problem that you just describe.

There are some people that queues in with little to no clue of exactly what to do in that current game that's expecting for someone to show them the way. Not everyone has the same experience. Can you really blame the pugs?

Either way, I'm still sticking with the issue being an adaption issue. What I mean is that there are options that hasn't been tried yet to deal with that type of group. It's hard to say in 72 man, because it's hard working with a big group whether you're premading or not. 24 man you have a bigger impact with how the game goes whether people know it or not.

Let's say, for example, that the bloodthirsty group is taking your base and is on their way to your spawn camp. Does anyone on your team have a Plan B or C to deal with this?

This is a ridiculous conversation that really doesn't require 20 pages. Of course premades are oppressive. Imagine queing solo, as good as you think you are, facing 8 people greater or equal to your skill level. Ffs your playing against people that have literally spent 2+ years of their life of game time in that game mode. Imagine betting your money, what kind of odds would you want. The real question is if we should care, its just a casual format to begin with. I mean if your singular goal is to make the game mode fair then a forced solo freelancer q would be required. Doing so would ruin the experience for some, again ultimately its a game and people should be having fun and that means playing with friends.

I think you've either skipped over the thread or you're not grasping the issue. This isn't people complaining about parties of eight for the large majority of this thread. This thread is talking about players who are all joining the same GC and queue syncing so that they're all on the same team resulting in groups of 14 - 18 people all on Discord working together cohesively just to pug stomp. This is something that's outside of a normal player's ability to do. The max party size you can have via normal means is four players. Pugs can no longer make a party finder and try to find players to PvP with and compete against this. Secondly, the GC queue syncing is actually a violation of the Terms of Service. This isn't an adaption issue at all. There are numerous vets on this very thread calling this out.

How do you overcome a group of 16 people all working together in Discord plus their other random eight pugs with your light party that's limited to four? Even if pugs listen to your callouts to the cue, you are still disadvantaged regardless of how you look at this. Your reasoning of "just adapt" in this case means Violate the ToS to do the same. I do think removing eight player parties was unnecessary, and I didn't have an issue with premades before. I do have an issue of people exploiting to stack 16 on the same team.

[Divinemights]

Fact check, this method is legit and exists since the beginning. No one is doing it when SE allows 8 men team to be able to quene together. It is a painful method and no one really want to do it.

Whatever is happening right now is those who are not willing to improve and complains about premade got the end of their own stick. This is their own stupidity. In matter of fact, no matter how good you are at sync, it is really rare you will get all 18 on same GC even it is Flamr. At this point, they will thinks-everyone is in a now.

[Noitems]

You mean when two teams stream ghosted me and coordinated 48 people over Discord just to crush 12 players? I wouldn't exactly call it a challenge when both enemy GC's ignore each other for the sake of taking out their frustrations on my group. Its one thing to make accusations of the game not being played as intended. Its another thing to turn blind eye to other groups who are doing similar, if not out right doing worse since at that point its win-trading/griefing.

[Shpy]

please kill this thread

[Feves]

No, please continue. Did you not know that Frontline is life or death for some people in this game?

[NessaWyvern]

It is a little confusing how most games with PvP have always allowed you to make a full party of friends, but FF14 now suddenly has an issue with it.

[Moonlite]

It is a little confusing how most games with PvP have always allowed you to make a full party of friends, but FF14 now suddenly has an issue with it.

They should have allowed premades to stay and reevaluated how they score. Was watching someone PvP in Classic and now I remember why, kills are not worth points. It to greatly affects matches. So instead of talking about the issue you get a knee jerk response.