Quote Originally Posted by JuliusRath View Post
I refuse to believe that this is actually happening. Not because people aren't trying but because it is literally impossible to get 24 people on one GC at a time. Myself and my friends struggle with getting 8-12 in one go. A lot of time people are left out. More times than not. Solo pugs are quick to figure things out and work with it.




I like you Brian, but this ain't it chief. Honestly the more narrow-minded statement in this thread. While I know people like that exist, I really don't like that you lump myself, my friends, and others into this majority category. Something I can say is that most people that play with 4+ people are just trying to play with them to have fun. I play with my friends to play cooperatively with them, to support them and help them succeed. Also, everyone that has played in a premade has also gone against a premade, they know what it's like to combat that. But it's not impossible to beat a preform party. They have the exact same buttons as anyone else playing. The difference is skill, knowledge, and whether or not their teammates pay attention and have similar skill sets. When I first started playing I went against my friends, who, you guessed it, were in a premade. But instead of making a forum post complaining, I tried to learn how to beat them and mobilize my team against them, I even ASKED them how it is that I could defeat them and in turn I made relationships that lead to friendships. And that was when I really started to enjoy PvP because it became more than 'stack on maelstrom and pray'. Most people want an easy ride to victory, and I don't blame them for that, casual players exist, but don't ruin other people's experience just because you aren't willing to learn or give effort. Cus that's what all of this bullshit boils down to.
Your refusal to believe doesn't really mean anything when there is proof. They are already slowing it down and are moving more towards competing each other. I don't know if it was because this thread or just getting bored of stomping or 4 man premades battling it out is more fun...

But, you want to use yourself as an example that great on you. I was talking about a specific case and people who take it to the extreme that what's harmful. Also, this notion of "just because you aren't willing to learn or give effort" is not very deep thought. Again, this is a casual mode sometimes it will legit be people first time. You can't assume every new person is going to be learning that quickly. But, you know what might turn them off? The feeling that they can't learn because veterans are overstacking to extremely and don't even give the chance to teach them.