The Frontlines Premade issue has not been fixed.

[JuliusRath]

Just wanted to get this straight. You admit to abusing the system.

It's not abuse, it's utilizing the system to play with friends. Abusing would be the use of a bug, this however, has been in the game all along. Before the limitation to a 4 man group, my friends would play in an 8 man, and if someone else wanted to play too, they would have to wait their turn. SE took that away from us, so we are optimizing what they have left us with. There is no problem with that.

but man does this game have some of the worst GM and community service in any game I have ever seen.

I guess you've never played WoW or Tera or any many other MMOs...

They don't actually seem to care if they win or lose just get as many kills as possible.

Is that wrong...? My team always seeks victory. But we're free to reach that point however we choose. By 'hitting ice', 'securing nodes' and 'killing drones' you're basically wanting people to play the PvE objective... in a PvP mode. There's nothing wrong with wanting to win by kills because the goal is still the same, you're just upset people want to get there by different means.

The more comments I see the stronger I feel about splitting frontlines. It is clear your side wants nothing to do with the casuals and wants to blame them.

Dude, I am the filthiest Bronze casual you will ever see. I don't blame casual players for being casual, I am one. I blame them for bitching about not winning when there are people that are better than them. SE still give you your 'participation trophy' in the form of wolf marks even if you lose. If you want to win; practice, coordinate and learn from people that have more experience.

Yes your post is accusatory people didn't group up like you so they get what they deserve.

Yes, that's exactly it. They aren't grouping up and coordinating, so yes, they should lose. You're literally justifying my statement. idk why everyone thinks that coming in together means that SE hands them the game on a golden plate, it's EARNED. And we've lost before, more times than I can even recall. Preformed parties aren't invincible, you just have to read your opponent. You know, like what you should do anyway in PvP.

Trust me, if there was a Premade only queue, I'd be over the fucking moon. But there isn't, and NO ONE would queue for it. Many other premades already avoid us in Frontline, PvP simply doesn't have the player base.

Look, the problem, again, isn't the premades. It's the mentality people have about PvP and preformed. By creating posts like this, casuals will see that and just point fingers and become discouraged. That's not our goal, that shouldn't be anyone's goal. So saying that premades are ruining frontline is just steering people away. You're signing them and yourself up for defeat even before you get in the ring.

[Moonlite]

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You clearly have played MMOs for a bit. Just because something is in the game and players can use it doesn't mean it is not an abuse. If you need an example ask some 2.0 players about coil. WoW up to LK had way better support, interaction, and oversite then this game ever has. I hated that blue crab, but he did more and made more was looked after then years SE has. Hell 11 has better oversite.


You can win anyway you want. Doesn't change the fact frontlines is an objective based pvp mode, not a kill based pvp mode. PvP doesn't mean kill it means players not competing vs AI. That does not belittle the other PvE objective. If we are all hitting the ice it is still PvP we all get a score. One side wasn't controlled by an AI to score against you.


Earned you already have an advantage of working out a party composition. Keep patting yourself on the back. I won't even say chat is an advantage. Because I could find those old annoying macros from 3.0 and spam the hell out of them till people listen.



Last point I actually feel like you are justifying others point, by saying they would duck a premade only. Also justifying my point, not enough of your group to support a premade only que. But then complain when the suggestion is made you play the mode the same as everyone else.


Maybe someone should just ask SE to mail the rewards to premades because they earned it by queing as a group. I guess we will see maybe this will all blow over and SE will not do anything. Or maybe they will implement more scorched earth policy.

[Saintly]

Trust me, if there was a Premade only queue, I'd be over the fucking moon. But there isn't, and NO ONE would queue for it. Many other premades already avoid us in Frontline, PvP simply doesn't have the player base.

And why's that? Exactly cause people want easy wins vs PuGs.

[Newmanxeno]

And why's that? Exactly cause people want easy wins vs PuGs.

Is this what you want to hear us say?
Yes I want to play an MMO with my friends.
Talk on discord or in party chat.
And yes! Beat on the people that made us want to group up in the first place.
If I wanted to be miserable with three other people in PvP I'd go play Rival Wings. We just want to play with our friends, who happen to be more than three people.

[NessaWyvern]

When my PvP friends were playing, we'd group up in a group of 8 and just have fun with the match. We lost a lot, but that's because we were doing stuff like going all nin in stealth (back in HW), and use all of our LB on one person at the same time for laughs to surprise players on the other team.
Far from meta strats. We wouldn't be able to do it now though, as they removed 24 man, and cut it down to 4 people per party queue. Our messing around for fun would just bring others down now..

[BloodRubyXII]

Is this what you want to hear us say?
If I wanted to be miserable with three other people in PvP I'd go play Rival Wings.

There's also Aurum Vale, you can queue that outside of peak times and if the friends aren't avaliable and you have to queue for it on your own - at least you know it'll pop.

[Newmanxeno]

There's also Aurum Vale, you can queue that outside of peak times and if the friends aren't avaliable and you have to queue for it on your own - at least you know it'll pop.

I said in PvP. I already queue a lot of Feast Training to be miserable by myself in PvP.

[Saintly]

Is this what you want to hear us say?
Yes I want to play an MMO with my friends.
Talk on discord or in party chat.
And yes! Beat on the people that made us want to group up in the first place.
If I wanted to be miserable with three other people in PvP I'd go play Rival Wings. We just want to play with our friends, who happen to be more than three people.

I didn't ask to hear anything.
I just pointed out the reason that premades don't want a premade only queue, even if that means that it'll allow them to play with their friends since that's what pre-supporters claim to be the issue.

[Toffa]

how do all these people from NA and EU think ANY data center could support two seperate ques

[Newmanxeno]

I didn't ask to hear anything.

There would be no queue. All premades don't pick a time and say "Yes, this is when we will crush the pugs with our other premade buddies." At most you see two out or smaller groups. So why would we even want to agree to this arbitrary "Premade Queue?"
These aren't "easy" wins either, maybe 24 mans but those are another thing. Trying to corral the 16 other people isn't easy.
All this has done is push people into a corner and made them push back with GC queues.