The Frontlines Premade issue has not been fixed.

[JuliusRath]

Are you really saying because you have not seen it... that mean it doesn't exist? Why else would there be talk about it because it IS happening.

I refuse to believe that this is actually happening. Not because people aren't trying but because it is literally impossible to get 24 people on one GC at a time. Myself and my friends struggle with getting 8-12 in one go. A lot of time people are left out. More times than not. Solo pugs are quick to figure things out and work with it.

So, let's not twist it. We know the majority goal is to use a loophole, have 90% win rates and eat people for dinner.

I like you Brian, but this ain't it chief. Honestly the more narrow-minded statement in this thread. While I know people like that exist, I really don't like that you lump myself, my friends, and others into this majority category. Something I can say is that most people that play with 4+ people are just trying to play with them to have fun. I play with my friends to play cooperatively with them, to support them and help them succeed. Also, everyone that has played in a premade has also gone against a premade, they know what it's like to combat that. But it's not impossible to beat a preform party. They have the exact same buttons as anyone else playing. The difference is skill, knowledge, and whether or not their teammates pay attention and have similar skill sets. When I first started playing I went against my friends, who, you guessed it, were in a premade. But instead of making a forum post complaining, I tried to learn how to beat them and mobilize my team against them, I even ASKED them how it is that I could defeat them and in turn I made relationships that lead to friendships. And that was when I really started to enjoy PvP because it became more than 'stack on maelstrom and pray'. Most people want an easy ride to victory, and I don't blame them for that, casual players exist, but don't ruin other people's experience just because you aren't willing to learn or give effort. Cus that's what all of this bullshit boils down to.

[Moonlite]

I refuse to believe that this is actually happening. Not because people aren't trying but because it is literally impossible to get 24 people on one GC at a time. Myself and my friends struggle with getting 8-12 in one go. A lot of time people are left out. More times than not. Solo pugs are quick to figure things out and work with it.




I like you Brian, but this ain't it chief. Honestly the more narrow-minded statement in this thread. While I know people like that exist, I really don't like that you lump myself, my friends, and others into this majority category. Something I can say is that most people that play with 4+ people are just trying to play with them to have fun. I play with my friends to play cooperatively with them, to support them and help them succeed. Also, everyone that has played in a premade has also gone against a premade, they know what it's like to combat that. But it's not impossible to beat a preform party. They have the exact same buttons as anyone else playing. The difference is skill, knowledge, and whether or not their teammates pay attention and have similar skill sets. When I first started playing I went against my friends, who, you guessed it, were in a premade. But instead of making a forum post complaining, I tried to learn how to beat them and mobilize my team against them, I even ASKED them how it is that I could defeat them and in turn I made relationships that lead to friendships. And that was when I really started to enjoy PvP because it became more than 'stack on maelstrom and pray'. Most people want an easy ride to victory, and I don't blame them for that, casual players exist, but don't ruin other people's experience just because you aren't willing to learn or give effort. Cus that's what all of this bullshit boils down to.

Just wanted to get this straight. You admit to abusing the system.That the system is not working as intended to limit groups to four. That you can get at least three times the accepted preorganized (lets not use preformed that upsets people).
Not you specifically, but man does this game have some of the worst GM and community service in any game I have ever seen. It is better when the game has none. Or just wait you guys will have it really fixed since SE doesn't want to police PvP. You will end up with freelancer on everyone.


Here is why you get lumped into a giant group of wonderful people. Maybe you can contain yourselves and do PvP and also the objectives of the match. A polling of people who have seen premades and have been in premades, MO is farm kills. Don't kill drones, don't secure nodes, don't shatter ice just farm players till the game is over. They don't actually seem to care if they win or lose just get as many kills as possible. It actually isn't so bad on Crystal not sure what its like on others. They are the first to complain that other things give points besides kills and first to blame the losing team for not being blood thirsty enough. As if random match ups are fair, we didn't have bad healers today we had multiple games with 3,2 and a couple with 1 today.



The more comments I see the stronger I feel about splitting frontlines. It is clear your side wants nothing to do with the casuals and wants to blame them. Yes your post is accusatory people didn't group up like you so they get what they deserve. You think you have enough people to support your ques you should be in separate ques.

[JuliusRath]

Just wanted to get this straight. You admit to abusing the system.

It's not abuse, it's utilizing the system to play with friends. Abusing would be the use of a bug, this however, has been in the game all along. Before the limitation to a 4 man group, my friends would play in an 8 man, and if someone else wanted to play too, they would have to wait their turn. SE took that away from us, so we are optimizing what they have left us with. There is no problem with that.

but man does this game have some of the worst GM and community service in any game I have ever seen.

I guess you've never played WoW or Tera or any many other MMOs...

They don't actually seem to care if they win or lose just get as many kills as possible.

Is that wrong...? My team always seeks victory. But we're free to reach that point however we choose. By 'hitting ice', 'securing nodes' and 'killing drones' you're basically wanting people to play the PvE objective... in a PvP mode. There's nothing wrong with wanting to win by kills because the goal is still the same, you're just upset people want to get there by different means.

The more comments I see the stronger I feel about splitting frontlines. It is clear your side wants nothing to do with the casuals and wants to blame them.

Dude, I am the filthiest Bronze casual you will ever see. I don't blame casual players for being casual, I am one. I blame them for bitching about not winning when there are people that are better than them. SE still give you your 'participation trophy' in the form of wolf marks even if you lose. If you want to win; practice, coordinate and learn from people that have more experience.

Yes your post is accusatory people didn't group up like you so they get what they deserve.

Yes, that's exactly it. They aren't grouping up and coordinating, so yes, they should lose. You're literally justifying my statement. idk why everyone thinks that coming in together means that SE hands them the game on a golden plate, it's EARNED. And we've lost before, more times than I can even recall. Preformed parties aren't invincible, you just have to read your opponent. You know, like what you should do anyway in PvP.

Trust me, if there was a Premade only queue, I'd be over the fucking moon. But there isn't, and NO ONE would queue for it. Many other premades already avoid us in Frontline, PvP simply doesn't have the player base.

Look, the problem, again, isn't the premades. It's the mentality people have about PvP and preformed. By creating posts like this, casuals will see that and just point fingers and become discouraged. That's not our goal, that shouldn't be anyone's goal. So saying that premades are ruining frontline is just steering people away. You're signing them and yourself up for defeat even before you get in the ring.

[Moonlite]

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You clearly have played MMOs for a bit. Just because something is in the game and players can use it doesn't mean it is not an abuse. If you need an example ask some 2.0 players about coil. WoW up to LK had way better support, interaction, and oversite then this game ever has. I hated that blue crab, but he did more and made more was looked after then years SE has. Hell 11 has better oversite.


You can win anyway you want. Doesn't change the fact frontlines is an objective based pvp mode, not a kill based pvp mode. PvP doesn't mean kill it means players not competing vs AI. That does not belittle the other PvE objective. If we are all hitting the ice it is still PvP we all get a score. One side wasn't controlled by an AI to score against you.


Earned you already have an advantage of working out a party composition. Keep patting yourself on the back. I won't even say chat is an advantage. Because I could find those old annoying macros from 3.0 and spam the hell out of them till people listen.



Last point I actually feel like you are justifying others point, by saying they would duck a premade only. Also justifying my point, not enough of your group to support a premade only que. But then complain when the suggestion is made you play the mode the same as everyone else.


Maybe someone should just ask SE to mail the rewards to premades because they earned it by queing as a group. I guess we will see maybe this will all blow over and SE will not do anything. Or maybe they will implement more scorched earth policy.

[Saintly]

Trust me, if there was a Premade only queue, I'd be over the fucking moon. But there isn't, and NO ONE would queue for it. Many other premades already avoid us in Frontline, PvP simply doesn't have the player base.

And why's that? Exactly cause people want easy wins vs PuGs.

[Newmanxeno]

And why's that? Exactly cause people want easy wins vs PuGs.

Is this what you want to hear us say?
Yes I want to play an MMO with my friends.
Talk on discord or in party chat.
And yes! Beat on the people that made us want to group up in the first place.
If I wanted to be miserable with three other people in PvP I'd go play Rival Wings. We just want to play with our friends, who happen to be more than three people.

[BloodRubyXII]

Is this what you want to hear us say?
If I wanted to be miserable with three other people in PvP I'd go play Rival Wings.

There's also Aurum Vale, you can queue that outside of peak times and if the friends aren't avaliable and you have to queue for it on your own - at least you know it'll pop.

[Newmanxeno]

There's also Aurum Vale, you can queue that outside of peak times and if the friends aren't avaliable and you have to queue for it on your own - at least you know it'll pop.

I said in PvP. I already queue a lot of Feast Training to be miserable by myself in PvP.

[Saintly]

Is this what you want to hear us say?
Yes I want to play an MMO with my friends.
Talk on discord or in party chat.
And yes! Beat on the people that made us want to group up in the first place.
If I wanted to be miserable with three other people in PvP I'd go play Rival Wings. We just want to play with our friends, who happen to be more than three people.

I didn't ask to hear anything.
I just pointed out the reason that premades don't want a premade only queue, even if that means that it'll allow them to play with their friends since that's what pre-supporters claim to be the issue.

[Newmanxeno]

I didn't ask to hear anything.

There would be no queue. All premades don't pick a time and say "Yes, this is when we will crush the pugs with our other premade buddies." At most you see two out or smaller groups. So why would we even want to agree to this arbitrary "Premade Queue?"
These aren't "easy" wins either, maybe 24 mans but those are another thing. Trying to corral the 16 other people isn't easy.
All this has done is push people into a corner and made them push back with GC queues.