The Frontlines Premade issue has not been fixed.

[Divinemights]

Good for you, would you like a cookie? LOL

You still have the ability to play with your friends. You just do it in teams of 4 instead of 8.

Oh dear, you still didn't get the memo?
There is always a way to by pass the queue restriction and they are still end up on same GC.
It is only annoying hell out of people for no good reason.

On top of the non sense complaints about Battle Fever and Battle High, you are only make yourself double down on your misery. 16 men premade is able to get into same GC and running around killing non stop like a rampage bull. The gauge system makes 10s immunity like a joke where they can just sit at enemy base and spawn killing.

You really need to stop before before makes yourself down to that path

[Saintly]

Thank you for resting my case. There are instances where Premades can be defeated. Forcing Freelancer isn't needed for solo queue.

I hope you have a good day and make sure to put effort when you queue PvP.

I don't see why we arguing all this time since we both agree.
4 Man pre-mades can be defeated, i'm glad we finally agree on that.

8 man/4 man pre that are at least average vs PuG's is the problem.
That's why we've been suggesting to separate premade/solo queue, that way everyone will be happy.

Premade queue that allows for up to 8 man premade parties (or more if possible) to sign.
Solo queue that allows only solo players to sign.

That way, premades can play with their friends and solo's have a premade-free experience, everyone wins.
Everyone except those who want to play as premade vs PuGs that is.

Anyway, good day to you too sir!
Also worry not, i make sure to put lots of effort, asap i'll top the healing chart as SCH ill try to do it as PLD.

[Mistress_Irika]

From what I'm seeing here certain people wants everyone to be thrown on a random team to prevent players from GC stacking. Correct me if I'm wrong there.

While I can somewhat get behind that I'm a bit clueless still as to why some people are insistent on leaving the premade limit to 4 with the current patch that we have.

[BubblyBoar]

So basically you want FL to devolve into a game of luck rather with your suggestion of implementing permanent Freelancer and the breakdown of 8-mans. With the changes you propose, you're basically rolling the dice to see if you have either:

1.) Prominent FL players, people who listen well, and skilled healers
2.) Bots, AFK farmers, and Griefers who troll shot calls.

The game literally becomes just pure luck where you either roll mostly decent teammates or just horrible players. This is just to make it fair?

You gotta have more faith in the randos. Yes, those lazy people will exist, but in my games where I try and lead or get people focused, the response usually ends well and people actually try. My incident rate of lazy or afkers is pretty low during prime times. I also don't have an issue with 8 mans, it's them stacking into one GC that is my problem.

[_Azura_]

In theory, I would love a 24man premade only mode, the games would be exciting, there would be a challenge. But in practice? The queues will die much faster. 8v8v8 isn't suited for premade only, 2 teams may tunnel and let the third team win by objectives only (which I have seen plenty of times), 2 teams may queue with the intention to join forces and base camp the third, win trading would be able to happen much easier.

Premade only mode also still won't address the Maelstrom solo queue problem, without premades in the mix, Mael still gets their easy wins vs the players who AFK, bot, give up because they didn't get placed on Mael, etc. Why should the players that decide to solo queue who want to put an effort into improving and winning funnel into one GC and spend hours queuing just to get competent teammates? Statistically from the frontline standings for the past few years, Maelstrom always has the higher win rate, because it is essentially the premade without forming a premade.

What we need is an 8v8 mode, like capture the flag that is premade only. It would pop frequently only requiring 16 people, it would be fair having no third party to influence the outcome of the match.

[Crit]

this thread is literally the 8th umbral calamity ahaha


pesky mortals attempting to reason with each other when the experienced side holds the factual statements yet the merchants attempt to argue and vocalize their own selfish ideals which have nothing to do with the objective


confound it! .... my popcorn ran out again

[BrianRicardo]

It's funny you say "let's not twist it" yet you'll begin this with hyperbole. I have yet to see this 24 man stack you speak of and i've been playing Frontlines since Heavensward. I started as a solo player who never once thought of giving up due to people playing together, it drove me to improve. Comparing this game to a "card game" is another funny twist, this is an mmo, one where you will encounter multiple people who you would want to play with and a lot of us have made friends through this mode and enjoy playing together. The majority of people complaining here about premades dont even know the real problems of players who will literally afk to get their xp/tomes. Those are the issues that have driven most of the players who actually enjoy this mode to seek others to play with.

Are you really saying because you have not seen it... that mean it doesn't exist? Why else would there be talk about it because it IS happening. Read this thread carefully you will notice were talking about a specific datacenter and grand company. I already explain this tactic is mostly happening because of the backlash of not being able to premade as 8.

My card game example was only to explain that you do not have to be in a team to play with others, you can compete and have a good time. Do you understand

[JuliusRath]

Are you really saying because you have not seen it... that mean it doesn't exist? Why else would there be talk about it because it IS happening.

I refuse to believe that this is actually happening. Not because people aren't trying but because it is literally impossible to get 24 people on one GC at a time. Myself and my friends struggle with getting 8-12 in one go. A lot of time people are left out. More times than not. Solo pugs are quick to figure things out and work with it.

So, let's not twist it. We know the majority goal is to use a loophole, have 90% win rates and eat people for dinner.

I like you Brian, but this ain't it chief. Honestly the more narrow-minded statement in this thread. While I know people like that exist, I really don't like that you lump myself, my friends, and others into this majority category. Something I can say is that most people that play with 4+ people are just trying to play with them to have fun. I play with my friends to play cooperatively with them, to support them and help them succeed. Also, everyone that has played in a premade has also gone against a premade, they know what it's like to combat that. But it's not impossible to beat a preform party. They have the exact same buttons as anyone else playing. The difference is skill, knowledge, and whether or not their teammates pay attention and have similar skill sets. When I first started playing I went against my friends, who, you guessed it, were in a premade. But instead of making a forum post complaining, I tried to learn how to beat them and mobilize my team against them, I even ASKED them how it is that I could defeat them and in turn I made relationships that lead to friendships. And that was when I really started to enjoy PvP because it became more than 'stack on maelstrom and pray'. Most people want an easy ride to victory, and I don't blame them for that, casual players exist, but don't ruin other people's experience just because you aren't willing to learn or give effort. Cus that's what all of this bullshit boils down to.

[Moonlite]

I refuse to believe that this is actually happening. Not because people aren't trying but because it is literally impossible to get 24 people on one GC at a time. Myself and my friends struggle with getting 8-12 in one go. A lot of time people are left out. More times than not. Solo pugs are quick to figure things out and work with it.




I like you Brian, but this ain't it chief. Honestly the more narrow-minded statement in this thread. While I know people like that exist, I really don't like that you lump myself, my friends, and others into this majority category. Something I can say is that most people that play with 4+ people are just trying to play with them to have fun. I play with my friends to play cooperatively with them, to support them and help them succeed. Also, everyone that has played in a premade has also gone against a premade, they know what it's like to combat that. But it's not impossible to beat a preform party. They have the exact same buttons as anyone else playing. The difference is skill, knowledge, and whether or not their teammates pay attention and have similar skill sets. When I first started playing I went against my friends, who, you guessed it, were in a premade. But instead of making a forum post complaining, I tried to learn how to beat them and mobilize my team against them, I even ASKED them how it is that I could defeat them and in turn I made relationships that lead to friendships. And that was when I really started to enjoy PvP because it became more than 'stack on maelstrom and pray'. Most people want an easy ride to victory, and I don't blame them for that, casual players exist, but don't ruin other people's experience just because you aren't willing to learn or give effort. Cus that's what all of this bullshit boils down to.

Just wanted to get this straight. You admit to abusing the system.That the system is not working as intended to limit groups to four. That you can get at least three times the accepted preorganized (lets not use preformed that upsets people).
Not you specifically, but man does this game have some of the worst GM and community service in any game I have ever seen. It is better when the game has none. Or just wait you guys will have it really fixed since SE doesn't want to police PvP. You will end up with freelancer on everyone.


Here is why you get lumped into a giant group of wonderful people. Maybe you can contain yourselves and do PvP and also the objectives of the match. A polling of people who have seen premades and have been in premades, MO is farm kills. Don't kill drones, don't secure nodes, don't shatter ice just farm players till the game is over. They don't actually seem to care if they win or lose just get as many kills as possible. It actually isn't so bad on Crystal not sure what its like on others. They are the first to complain that other things give points besides kills and first to blame the losing team for not being blood thirsty enough. As if random match ups are fair, we didn't have bad healers today we had multiple games with 3,2 and a couple with 1 today.



The more comments I see the stronger I feel about splitting frontlines. It is clear your side wants nothing to do with the casuals and wants to blame them. Yes your post is accusatory people didn't group up like you so they get what they deserve. You think you have enough people to support your ques you should be in separate ques.

[Fang_]

Are you really saying because you have not seen it... that mean it doesn't exist? Why else would there be talk about it because it IS happening. Read this thread carefully you will notice were talking about a specific datacenter and grand company. I already explain this tactic is mostly happening because of the backlash of not being able to premade as 8.

My card game example was only to explain that you do not have to be in a team to play with others, you can compete and have a good time. Do you understand

Unfortunately it's you who still fails to understand, brian. Throughout my time playing FL i have made several friends who, like me, enjoy playing this game mode together. This is not like your poorly given example of a game of cards, we're not all in the same room and able to talk/laugh together. Some people don't have mics or third party programs so how do we go about laughing together? We do it through the chat box system in the game, this cannot be achieved on separate teams. Do you understand.