The Frontlines Premade issue has not been fixed.

[Saintly]

Im fairly sure they said they took that picture during the "Feast Team Season" we had at the end of Stormblood

My bad and thank you for pointing it out.
So if I understand correctly this time, people avoid playing vs other premades.

You really think that's why most people want 8 man premades back? Do you not have friends you play with in this game? Most everyone i know don't care about "easy wins" as you put it. We have friends, we want to play with those friends. And when there's more then 4 people who want to play together, people get left out and that's no fun at all. It has nothing to do with winning easily, it has to do with playing with people we enjoy playing the game with. Last i checked this was a social game meant to be played with friends. So they need to stop taking that away.

I don't see what stopping people from making 2 4-man parties and hanging together in discord.

Also I played/play vs my friends/guild in a lot of games including FFXIV and really had just as much fun, since we don't complete for ranking or anything.

So yeah, I really think and most of the posts so far prove me right that its all about the winrate rather than playing with friends.

[Divinemights]

What actually happened after post 5.1:

1. It is now possible to end up with full alliance made up by 6 x 4 men premade parties and they usually will end on either Flames or Adders. Maelstrom got their end of stick because it is highly unlikely for this GC to get premade parties due to false belief of Maelstrom always win. This also annoy the people that want to play with friends and they becomes more brutal on the Frontline.

A slap on the face to the people that crying about premade.

2. It is now impossible for any GC to coming back from a losing battle because of current gauge system. Once a good player reach 50% gauge and he will becomes unstoppable. Any GC with more than half of their players reach 50% will also becomes unstoppable. It is common to see one GC totally dominates other 2 GCs; especially at Seal Rock. It is much easier to counter battle high and battle fever prior 5.1 where they are not only visible on the map; they also can be reset by focus fire BH and BF targets. Right now, once a good player reach 100% he becomes a God of War and can 3 GCDs a full HP Tank with defense CD (55% damage reduction). The healing from Item Potion will jump between 4k to 5k per use with a 15s CD. Good luck kill him.

This is another slap on the face on people that crying about battle high and battle fever.

My conclusion? Stop complaining when you are new to Frontline and clueless about how to play with system properly. You are only making the situation worst for yourself. This patch the good players will eat lesser skill one like candies. Prior to 5.1, if you cant win a battle, at least you can win by play strategically. Right now? If you don't fight and build up your gauge, "YOU WILL LOSE". No one can coming back from gauge difference.

[JustNaes]

You would still be able to go in with up to a team of 4, you just wouldn't have the same padded win ratio's, which let's be honest, is what you people want.

You don't want to break into 4 man teams and queue up to potentially play against each other because it affects your win ratio's. You also don't want any less than 8 because you have determined that's the right amount to roll over other teams who aren't necessarily less skilled but might not have the macro's and voice comm's that you're using. It's why you don't see the Aether premades playing unless they have at least 8 to sync queue (typically it's 8-14). SE recognized this was a problem and they took steps to counter it but they didn't go far enough.

There's a few small teams of 2 or 4 that I see quite often in FL games that consist of skilled players. Sometimes they use macro's to help lead and the matches are relatively fun and mostly closer in score (many that result in wins) as opposed to the rolf stomp Adder goon squad, so your melodramatic spiel about it being luck/unplayable with less than 8 is nonsense.

#EnforceFreelancer

I personally want to wins for achievements. I careless about win ratios, I just want the fastest way to accumulate wins in the fastest way possible

I know those players, they are good mechanically and half the time don't really care about the objectives and just want to kill. What you propose kills the ability to win via macros/leadership/strategy and instead relies on individual mechanical ability which needs to be relatively high to carry a team of 20 other meh players.

Basically what you're proposing is that PUGs want to be in the mercy of RNG, rolling into the same team as those skilled players to have a blast. The only difference I see here is that you're okay with luck throwing you into the same team as them instead of making sure you're always on the same team as them.

If you enjoy that thrill of inconsistency and randomness that's fine, but I prefer winning my matches over anything else.

[Rhais]

You would still be able to go in with up to a team of 4, you just wouldn't have the same padded win ratio's, which let's be honest, is what you people want.

You are clueless, most people doing premades have had everything from win achievements for quite some time, and don't really care about winning every game they play. Most people don't care what their win ratio is, or even pay attention to it.

You seem to have a lot of trouble wrapping your mind around the concept that not everyone has fun solo queuing and getting stuck in a party with people they don't know and can't work with.
It's not fun being in a party with 3 healers within range and getting taken down as they spam dps abilities for no good reason.
It's not fun waiting at your teams only node when you are down by 300 points and the GC in the lead has 2, but can't do anything by yourself and can't convince anyone else to go on the offensive because "objectives > kills", and "defend!"
It's not fun letting people know beforehand spawn times and telling them to watch their maps, linking objective locations when they spawn and still finding yourself nearly alone there because most people didn't want to pay attention and are still chasing the last place GC around.
It's not fun suggesting we pinch and being told "let them fight" because we have a very small lead only to later get destroyed by a GC full of battle highs that has been feeding on the third team all round.

Circumstances like those or many others can be avoided or at least be less of a problem when you have a full party. It's just more of an enjoyable experience having a full party of friends, sometimes you can carry an alliance sometimes you can't, but if all the people who were doing full party premades cared about was meaningless win ratios we would have just gone the route of trying to stack a GC with way more then 8 people by queue syncing. As it was even when there were 8 we usually had people waiting for someone to drop so they could join so we could have easily done that.

[Syrehn]

I personally want to wins for achievements. I careless about win ratios, I just want the fastest way to accumulate wins in the fastest way possible.

I get it. Here's the thing though, what's happening right now with the discord premades (currently Adder goon squad on Aether), isn't healthy for FL overall. What happens when more casual/new players stop playing? Or dodging the 14 man premades because they don't want to get consistently flattened? What about when those that do remain decide they also want easy wins and switch to the GC with freelancer off to get in on the action? I'll tell you what happens, you end up with a dead PVP mode with high queue times.

What you propose kills the ability to win via macros/leadership/strategy

No it doesn't. Like I said, I've seen smaller 2 or 4 man teams in matches that successfully use their macro's to guide their teams to wins. The game scores are just much closer and the participants have to actually work/work harder for their win instead of LOL ROLLING the other teams.

[Divinemights]

You would still be able to go in with up to a team of 4, you just wouldn't have the same padded win ratio's, which let's be honest, is what you people want.

#EnforceFreelancer

You are really clueless about the situation. You are assuming people in premades plays for achievement and ratio. There are few, yes, but not all of them. I can understand why you believed this way after checking your PvPassia history. This sub character played x 3 frontlines than your main character; not to mention my main character already played more than 10,000 matches. Trust me, I don't care about winning ratio or achievement when I have all of the achievements. There are "a lot" of people likes me plays frontline for the fun. They just want to play with their friends.

[Syrehn]

This sub character played x 3 frontlines than your main character; not to mention my main character already played more than 10,000 matches.

Good for you, would you like a cookie? LOL

There are "a lot" of people likes me plays frontline for the fun. They just want to play with their friends.

You still have the ability to play with your friends. You just do it in teams of 4 instead of 8.

[A-res]

#EnforceFreelancer

You're telling me I can't RP as a grand general in Adders or Mael or Flames to lead the team to victory? There are players like us that are grand company loyal. I refuse to be in a grand company that my character is not in. That is not fair.

[JustNaes]

I get it. Here's the thing though, what's happening right now with the discord premades (currently Adder goon squad on Aether), isn't healthy for FL overall. What happens when more casual/new players stop playing? Or dodging the 14 man premades because they don't want to get consistently flattened? What about when those that do remain decide they also want easy wins and switch to the GC with freelancer off to get in on the action? I'll tell you what happens, you end up with a dead PVP mode with high queue times.




No it doesn't. Like I said, I've seen smaller 2 or 4 man teams in matches that successfully use their macro's to guide their teams to wins. The game scores are just much closer and the participants have to actually work/work harder for their win instead of LOL ROLLING the other teams.

This was an issue in HW. Queues were fine despite the GC syncs. They've been fine, since roulettes were introduced people will still go into queue and AFK for Wolf Marks, Exp, and Tomes. Bots will still queue in, you're making it seem like its the end of the world and that PvP will die :V

[A-res]

There's point in getting angry with me, we are not in the same DC so i'm not part of the PuG's who stomped your 4 man pre. :3

Thank you for resting my case. There are instances where Premades can be defeated. Forcing Freelancer isn't needed for solo queue.

I hope you have a good day and make sure to put effort when you queue PvP.