The Frontlines Premade issue has not been fixed.

[Syrehn]

So basically you want FL to devolve into a game of luck rather with your suggestion of implementing permanent Freelancer and the breakdown of 8-mans. With the changes you propose, you're basically rolling the dice to see if you have either:

1.) Prominent FL players, people who listen well, and skilled healers
2.) Bots, AFK farmers, and Griefers who troll shot calls.

The game literally becomes just pure luck where you either roll mostly decent teammates or just horrible players. This is just to make it fair?

You would still be able to go in with up to a team of 4, you just wouldn't have the same padded win ratio's, which let's be honest, is what you people want.

You don't want to break into 4 man teams and queue up to potentially play against each other because it affects your win ratio's. You also don't want any less than 8 because you have determined that's the right amount to roll over other teams who aren't necessarily less skilled but might not have the macro's and voice comm's that you're using. It's why you don't see the Aether premades playing unless they have at least 8 to sync queue (typically it's 8-14). SE recognized this was a problem and they took steps to counter it but they didn't go far enough.

There's a few small teams of 2 or 4 that I see quite often in FL games that consist of skilled players. Sometimes they use macro's to help lead and the matches are relatively fun and mostly closer in score (many that result in wins) as opposed to the rolf stomp Adder goon squad, so your melodramatic spiel about it being luck/unplayable with less than 8 is nonsense.

#EnforceFreelancer

[JustNaes]

You would still be able to go in with up to a team of 4, you just wouldn't have the same padded win ratio's, which let's be honest, is what you people want.

You don't want to break into 4 man teams and queue up to potentially play against each other because it affects your win ratio's. You also don't want any less than 8 because you have determined that's the right amount to roll over other teams who aren't necessarily less skilled but might not have the macro's and voice comm's that you're using. It's why you don't see the Aether premades playing unless they have at least 8 to sync queue (typically it's 8-14). SE recognized this was a problem and they took steps to counter it but they didn't go far enough.

There's a few small teams of 2 or 4 that I see quite often in FL games that consist of skilled players. Sometimes they use macro's to help lead and the matches are relatively fun and mostly closer in score (many that result in wins) as opposed to the rolf stomp Adder goon squad, so your melodramatic spiel about it being luck/unplayable with less than 8 is nonsense.

#EnforceFreelancer

I personally want to wins for achievements. I careless about win ratios, I just want the fastest way to accumulate wins in the fastest way possible

I know those players, they are good mechanically and half the time don't really care about the objectives and just want to kill. What you propose kills the ability to win via macros/leadership/strategy and instead relies on individual mechanical ability which needs to be relatively high to carry a team of 20 other meh players.

Basically what you're proposing is that PUGs want to be in the mercy of RNG, rolling into the same team as those skilled players to have a blast. The only difference I see here is that you're okay with luck throwing you into the same team as them instead of making sure you're always on the same team as them.

If you enjoy that thrill of inconsistency and randomness that's fine, but I prefer winning my matches over anything else.

[Syrehn]

I personally want to wins for achievements. I careless about win ratios, I just want the fastest way to accumulate wins in the fastest way possible.

I get it. Here's the thing though, what's happening right now with the discord premades (currently Adder goon squad on Aether), isn't healthy for FL overall. What happens when more casual/new players stop playing? Or dodging the 14 man premades because they don't want to get consistently flattened? What about when those that do remain decide they also want easy wins and switch to the GC with freelancer off to get in on the action? I'll tell you what happens, you end up with a dead PVP mode with high queue times.

What you propose kills the ability to win via macros/leadership/strategy

No it doesn't. Like I said, I've seen smaller 2 or 4 man teams in matches that successfully use their macro's to guide their teams to wins. The game scores are just much closer and the participants have to actually work/work harder for their win instead of LOL ROLLING the other teams.

[JustNaes]

I get it. Here's the thing though, what's happening right now with the discord premades (currently Adder goon squad on Aether), isn't healthy for FL overall. What happens when more casual/new players stop playing? Or dodging the 14 man premades because they don't want to get consistently flattened? What about when those that do remain decide they also want easy wins and switch to the GC with freelancer off to get in on the action? I'll tell you what happens, you end up with a dead PVP mode with high queue times.




No it doesn't. Like I said, I've seen smaller 2 or 4 man teams in matches that successfully use their macro's to guide their teams to wins. The game scores are just much closer and the participants have to actually work/work harder for their win instead of LOL ROLLING the other teams.

This was an issue in HW. Queues were fine despite the GC syncs. They've been fine, since roulettes were introduced people will still go into queue and AFK for Wolf Marks, Exp, and Tomes. Bots will still queue in, you're making it seem like its the end of the world and that PvP will die :V

[Rhais]

You would still be able to go in with up to a team of 4, you just wouldn't have the same padded win ratio's, which let's be honest, is what you people want.

You are clueless, most people doing premades have had everything from win achievements for quite some time, and don't really care about winning every game they play. Most people don't care what their win ratio is, or even pay attention to it.

You seem to have a lot of trouble wrapping your mind around the concept that not everyone has fun solo queuing and getting stuck in a party with people they don't know and can't work with.
It's not fun being in a party with 3 healers within range and getting taken down as they spam dps abilities for no good reason.
It's not fun waiting at your teams only node when you are down by 300 points and the GC in the lead has 2, but can't do anything by yourself and can't convince anyone else to go on the offensive because "objectives > kills", and "defend!"
It's not fun letting people know beforehand spawn times and telling them to watch their maps, linking objective locations when they spawn and still finding yourself nearly alone there because most people didn't want to pay attention and are still chasing the last place GC around.
It's not fun suggesting we pinch and being told "let them fight" because we have a very small lead only to later get destroyed by a GC full of battle highs that has been feeding on the third team all round.

Circumstances like those or many others can be avoided or at least be less of a problem when you have a full party. It's just more of an enjoyable experience having a full party of friends, sometimes you can carry an alliance sometimes you can't, but if all the people who were doing full party premades cared about was meaningless win ratios we would have just gone the route of trying to stack a GC with way more then 8 people by queue syncing. As it was even when there were 8 we usually had people waiting for someone to drop so they could join so we could have easily done that.

[Divinemights]

You would still be able to go in with up to a team of 4, you just wouldn't have the same padded win ratio's, which let's be honest, is what you people want.

#EnforceFreelancer

You are really clueless about the situation. You are assuming people in premades plays for achievement and ratio. There are few, yes, but not all of them. I can understand why you believed this way after checking your PvPassia history. This sub character played x 3 frontlines than your main character; not to mention my main character already played more than 10,000 matches. Trust me, I don't care about winning ratio or achievement when I have all of the achievements. There are "a lot" of people likes me plays frontline for the fun. They just want to play with their friends.

[Syrehn]

This sub character played x 3 frontlines than your main character; not to mention my main character already played more than 10,000 matches.

Good for you, would you like a cookie? LOL

There are "a lot" of people likes me plays frontline for the fun. They just want to play with their friends.

You still have the ability to play with your friends. You just do it in teams of 4 instead of 8.

[Divinemights]

Good for you, would you like a cookie? LOL

You still have the ability to play with your friends. You just do it in teams of 4 instead of 8.

Oh dear, you still didn't get the memo?
There is always a way to by pass the queue restriction and they are still end up on same GC.
It is only annoying hell out of people for no good reason.

On top of the non sense complaints about Battle Fever and Battle High, you are only make yourself double down on your misery. 16 men premade is able to get into same GC and running around killing non stop like a rampage bull. The gauge system makes 10s immunity like a joke where they can just sit at enemy base and spawn killing.

You really need to stop before before makes yourself down to that path