The Frontlines Premade issue has not been fixed.

[chris4]

Love the meltdowns of those who played only in premade and lost the spoon.
Also love how they claim that they are "skilled" but not once proposed or supported the idea of a pre vs pre only mode. :3

I am going to reply to your obvious bait post (when I really shouldn't) and just leave you with this. being from the rank 1 pvp team in ranked team feast on primal last season, this is my experience with a premade vs premade pvp mode in FFXIV. Over 5 hours in queue during primetime during a season (date/time of screenshot is 6/26/19 at 10:49pm) and yeah you guessed it, people dodged rather than grind against each other to get better. They would rather the effortless win or maybe even just a chance of winning against other teams instead of grinding away vs the top premade to get better. Unfortunately for me, this supports Brian's point about people just wanting a 90% wr and easy games, but I never argued against that, there will always be people like that, there will always be people afking in frontlines for the tomes, there will always be people afking in alliance raids, main story roulettes, and other duties because they want things effortlessly handed too them, this isnt a pvp problem, this is a FFXIV player problem. I would rather they don't just add another dead mode because people refuse to grind against people better than them to get better, which again, is a problem that extends further than just FFXIV pvp.

[Saintly]

I am going to reply to your obvious bait post (when I really shouldn't) and just leave you with this. being from the rank 1 pvp team in ranked team feast on primal last season, this is my experience with a premade vs premade pvp mode in FFXIV. Over 5 hours in queue during primetime during a season (date/time of screenshot is 6/26/19 at 10:49pm) and yeah you guessed it, people dodged rather than grind against each other to get better. They would rather the effortless win or maybe even just a chance of winning against other teams instead of grinding away vs the top premade to get better. Unfortunately for me, this supports Brian's point about people just wanting a 90% wr and easy games, but I never argued against that, there will always be people like that, there will always be people afking in frontlines for the tomes, there will always be people afking in alliance raids, main story roulettes, and other duties because they want things effortlessly handed too them, this isnt a pvp problem, this is a FFXIV player problem. I would rather they don't just add another dead mode because people refuse to grind against people better than them to get better, which again, is a problem that extends further than just FFXIV pvp.

I think you missed my point, I was not talking about feast, but a premade only queue for FL.

Also don't really see why would anyone queue in ranked feast solo or pre during off-season.

I was just pointing out that people who ask for 8 man premades to be allowed again (well the overwhelming majority at least since there are obviously exceptions) don't want just to be able to queue as premade, they want to queue in mode that no matter what includes PuGs, completely ignoring the suggestions for pre vs pre modes mode that would allow them to play with their friends and that no-one would be against.

Let's face it the majority of people who want 8 man's to be back just want their spoon for easy wins back and nothing more.

Sorry if I missed any points or for any grammars posting from phone, well review my post and discussion asap I'm back home.

[Nanne]

Also don't really see why would anyone queue in ranked feast solo or pre during off-season.

Im fairly sure they said they took that picture during the "Feast Team Season" we had at the end of Stormblood

[Rumari]

Let's face it the majority of people who want 8 man's to be back just want their spoon for easy wins back and nothing more.

You really think that's why most people want 8 man premades back? Do you not have friends you play with in this game? Most everyone i know don't care about "easy wins" as you put it. We have friends, we want to play with those friends. And when there's more then 4 people who want to play together, people get left out and that's no fun at all. It has nothing to do with winning easily, it has to do with playing with people we enjoy playing the game with. Last i checked this was a social game meant to be played with friends. So they need to stop taking that away.

[Syrehn]

You really think that's why most people want 8 man premades back? Do you not have friends you play with in this game? Most everyone i know don't care about "easy wins" as you put it. We have friends, we want to play with those friends. And when there's more then 4 people who want to play together, people get left out and that's no fun at all. It has nothing to do with winning easily, it has to do with playing with people we enjoy playing the game with. Last i checked this was a social game meant to be played with friends. So they need to stop taking that away.

You can still have fun playing with your friends, chatting over voice comm's etc. while splitting into multiple teams of 4. It's equally as fun to play against your friends as it is to play with them on the same team.

If SE was "taking away" the social aspect then they wouldn't have left the 4 man party as an option.

[Moonlite]

You really think that's why most people want 8 man premades back? Do you not have friends you play with in this game? Most everyone i know don't care about "easy wins" as you put it. We have friends, we want to play with those friends. And when there's more then 4 people who want to play together, people get left out and that's no fun at all. It has nothing to do with winning easily, it has to do with playing with people we enjoy playing the game with. Last i checked this was a social game meant to be played with friends. So they need to stop taking that away.

You seen MSQ since 5.0?



I think a compromise could be reached. But basically it would have to be huge bonus for solo or punishment for group que. It should be like MSQ roulette a gigantic carrot to force the two groups to coexist. Or putting them in separate ques and let the two sides sink or swim.



What isn't know in these arguments is the win ratio of solo ques per groups and what size. If SE was looking at actual numbers and not just reacting. You would think over five plus players disproportionately influence the match and win rates. Why pick four why not two? Why allow it at all if it is an issue?



Also your not chasing "easy win" thing doesn't fly that well when others supporting your side have complained about how bad it is to play with casuals. Look a few posts above you how they don't like the idea of random matching. Others have said in the past they only que during 24man pops so they don't have to play with 16 other randoms.

[Saintly]

Im fairly sure they said they took that picture during the "Feast Team Season" we had at the end of Stormblood

My bad and thank you for pointing it out.
So if I understand correctly this time, people avoid playing vs other premades.

You really think that's why most people want 8 man premades back? Do you not have friends you play with in this game? Most everyone i know don't care about "easy wins" as you put it. We have friends, we want to play with those friends. And when there's more then 4 people who want to play together, people get left out and that's no fun at all. It has nothing to do with winning easily, it has to do with playing with people we enjoy playing the game with. Last i checked this was a social game meant to be played with friends. So they need to stop taking that away.

I don't see what stopping people from making 2 4-man parties and hanging together in discord.

Also I played/play vs my friends/guild in a lot of games including FFXIV and really had just as much fun, since we don't complete for ranking or anything.

So yeah, I really think and most of the posts so far prove me right that its all about the winrate rather than playing with friends.