The Frontlines Premade issue has not been fixed.

[Atreus]

You can still form small 4 man teams. That's perfectly adequate enough to play with a few friends.

Says who exactly? I don't know about you, but I have a great deal more than 3 other friends.

SE clearly thought the 8 man's were a problem, so they took steps to prevent it. Players now want to circumvent that so that leaves the last option - enforce freelancer at all times.

Right, so allowing 8-man groups throughout 2.x, 3.x, 4.x, and 5.0 wasn't a problem until right around when Garo was ending, then it became a problem? Big thonk.

[UnrealTai]

Says who exactly? I don't know about you, but I have a great deal more than 3 other friends.



Right, so allowing 8-man groups throughout 2.x, 3.x, 4.x, and 5.0 wasn't a problem until right around when Garo was ending, then it became a problem? Big thonk.

As a 100% introverted INTJ even "I" can agree with this.
Because who the frick only has 3 friends to PVP with???

8 needs to be returned stat, dedicated PVP teams or "NOT"
And now the majority of those friends still login, but most of them just sort of BS around housing, and not playing, pissed and/or irritated because solo queing is simply not the same / feels kinda pointless. You go in to play WITH FRIENDS, not solo que to be on the same GC. *Waves at ppl from a distance you no longer are friends with thanks to SE*

The Aether/Crystal DC split was bad but it was fixable.

This? This is not. People are going to drop subs, and lots of them.
8 person groups has existed since 2.x like Atreus said.

Literally the stupidest move SE has done yet, even worse then the Blue Mage introduction.

If they go in and force free lancer 100% even for solo'ers thats just going to alienate the rest of the PVPers who WERE solo queing with friends of the same GC
The suggestion on OP is to kill an already dying feature in FF?. Um no. Forcing Free lancer for solo'ing too is not even remotely close to a good idea.

[Moonlite]

Says who exactly? I don't know about you, but I have a great deal more than 3 other friends.



Right, so allowing 8-man groups throughout 2.x, 3.x, 4.x, and 5.0 wasn't a problem until right around when Garo was ending, then it became a problem? Big thonk.

Really it wasn't a problem during Slaughter on Aether, revisionist history much. Or during shatter on Aether either really no problem at all. It has always been a problem. Its just usually they get bored and stop queing and stuff evens out.




Also why aren't the same people so upset about this arguing for premades in solo que feast? Why because they know it would be unbalanced.


I don't think premades need to be lowered. We have a scaling reward system already it should have just been implemented for que with parties of 8 being baseline. As party gets smaller and smaller rewards increase. Which means a team of 8 most likely going to win would get as much as a single person queing. The 8 man gets their win and feel good slap on the back the solo que knows he got slapped around but got the same reward.

[Atreus]

Really it wasn't a problem during Slaughter on Aether, revisionist history much. Or during shatter on Aether either really no problem at all. It has always been a problem. Its just usually they get bored and stop queing and stuff evens out.

You're not exactly providing anything more factual in terms of the "history of Frontline". Full parties were not removed for several expansions, several updates, and several map additions. That is factual.

Also why aren't the same people so upset about this arguing for premades in solo que feast? Why because they know it would be unbalanced.

Easy. Because Feast already has several ways to play it. Solo queue ranked, light party ranked and custom games, and training mode which allows bringing a partner (which is more influential than one 8-man party in a 72-player game).

[Moonlite]

You're not exactly providing anything more factual in terms of the "history of Frontline". Full parties were not removed for several expansions, several updates, and several map additions. That is factual.



Easy. Because Feast already has several ways to play it. Solo queue ranked, light party ranked and custom games, and training mode which allows bringing a partner (which is more influential than one 8-man party in a 72-player game).

Your side is acting like premades were never a problem. I gave examples from just one data center. Because nothing was done doesn't change the fact it wasn't an issue at the time. SE isn't exactly the most active dev in this type of game play.





For your second point that sounds way better then any suggestion I have seen from either side. They should be split up like feast. Solo random teams for one que and premade teams for another. I am sure no one could argue against that.

[Atreus]

Your side is acting like premades were never a problem. I gave examples from just one data center. Because nothing was done doesn't change the fact it wasn't an issue at the time. SE isn't exactly the most active dev in this type of game play.

Buddy, what? They did take action by removing GC restrictions and forcing groups to be freelance. Everyone had a chance to be matched up with or against them unless you were masochistic enough to keep queuing into one in 24-man, which spoiler alert, are not a thing anymore.

You wanna know what real problems are? People who queue up for tomes or some reward with no desire to actually play, contribute in any way, or even learn the rules of the game. People who bot it up or throw consciously to end the game sooner. How about we solve those problems. People partied up to reduce the number of those in their instance and to battle against other premades.

Oh but by all means, tell me how the big bad premades ruined your solo queue experience.

[Moonlite]

You're not exactly providing anything more factual in terms of the "history of Frontline". Full parties were not removed for several expansions, several updates, and several map additions. That is factual.

Buddy, what? They did take action by removing GC restrictions and forcing groups to be freelance. Everyone had a chance to be matched up with or against them unless you were masochistic enough to keep queuing into one in 24-man, which spoiler alert, are not a thing anymore.

I am slightly confused. Did you not want examples of why premades have been bad since 2.0 and why they were a problem? Because SE didn't take action then it wasn't an issue? Did I not give examples of when the great PvP community abused the garbage que system not for the love of the game but to curb stomp other teams. Some of the same people who are trying to abuse the que system again.



You have a slight misconception, premades don't actually ruin my experience. Since frontline started I just logout after seeing them a couple times. I am much more upset by the stupidity of random players. But the same way a certain percentage of the pvp population acted about feast chat being removed, like they never did anything wrong. I would much rather see "leave premades in I hate the scrubs and I want to stomp them." That I can respect, the poor victim not so much.



If SE is even semi active and puts two and two together. The people who are bypassing the idea of premades will ruin it for everyone even more. We will all be locked into freelancer random solo que or maybe duo.