The Frontlines Premade issue has not been fixed.

[_Azura_]

What competition is there in a premade completely stomping PUGs? I'm not advocating for Solo only or forced Freelancer. I only suggested that premades specifically be forced freelancer. I believe it'll make a healthier FL. It has nothing to do with makig things easier or harder. I play all the PvP modes and I win pretty often when I do play, but FL is the only one with this specific problem because of how the queue can be abused.

Premade parties ARE forced to freelancer.

[UnrealTai]

Uhhh..............
Premades have been forced into freelancer for years already, not sure what you're talking about homie. You cannot be in a party and "opt" to be in a specific GC for pvp.
It's not selectable, not abusable, its 100% not possible.

Whatever issue it is you're having with PVP has nothing to do with this.
Are you sure youve played all the PVP modes and so many times like you claim? You're literally asking for something that has been and already is in effect.

Edit: Azura beat me to it.
You may wanna PVP more if you aren't aware of such a basic restriction.

[Astrololol]

Then they can do it now as well.
Looks like they don't need to lift premade restrictions after all since a solution is found. :3

On a serious note, i'm all for allowing premades no matter how big as long as they play vs other premades only.
I just don't see why premade supporters want to play vs PuG's so badly.

Yeah, no idea why premades would want to play vs pugs either You would think that they would get bored of curbstomping people worse than them, but it equals ez win rate so lol. I'd suggest a frontline for the more "serious" pvpers, but not sure if the traffic is there for that, plus the percentage of people who lowkey like to group up to farm plebs. That mentality was a thing even on a pvp server I was on before, lord knows it's on FFXIV too.

[A-res]

What competition is there in a premade completely stomping PUGs? I'm not advocating for Solo only or forced Freelancer. I only suggested that premades specifically be forced freelancer. I believe it'll make a healthier FL. It has nothing to do with makig things easier or harder. I play all the PvP modes and I win pretty often when I do play, but FL is the only one with this specific problem because of how the queue can be abused.

It's still one team vs. another team. One is organized than the other. Premades are already being forced free lancer, that is, ones that are partied up. Notice that this whole xx man Adder team was created AFTER 5.1 came out with it's 4 man premades. I rather premade with a GC with my friends on this patch because 4 man isn't enough to bring them all in. I want to stomp PUGs: see below.

Healthier FL? Organize a PvP event for that. At this point PvP is a joke - Feast has win trades, frontlines has bots. The real problem is the PUGs and the blame is on SE for that. If you want healthy PvP, organize a day or have individual rewards that reflect on individual performance. Too many PUGs don't give a s*** about PvP; THAT is the problem. Premades are created not only to play with friends, it's also to avoid having terrible teammates that "I'm gonna guard base! *is a healer*" "I'm here for tomes/exp/rewards/hairstyle/roulette." and again don't care about it. These are the people that deserved to be stomped. (You or I being in that said losing team is collateral damage.)

Blacklist does a good job of taking care of terrible loot and scooters so it should also implement where blacklisted players shouldn't be in my team. Blacklisting bad PUGs doesn't do anything but mute them. Why should I care about healthy PvP in a non-organized queue with my team being PUGs that don't care?

They all sit in VC and gloat about how they stomp PUGs. It's not about being better players. Even they admit there are better ones that aren't in their group. It's about having one GC stacked and the other just being loose PUGs by abusing the queue system. But to give them credit, some are actually trying to od the same for other GCs But on Aether it's pretty much only ingrained on Adders.

I am in a premade that also voice in discord. Don't pile everyone that together to these guys. We premade to have fun and if we end up stomping PUGs, well, we stomp them; their fault for having a difference in skill. Not everybody in premades gloat stomping PUGs, blame the person who's gloating and not premades.

[Syrehn]

Or they can restore the ability to form an 8-man group and stop trying to restrict friends from playing together in an MMORPG.

No. They can and should just enforce freelancer at all times instead. Problem solved.

[BubblyBoar]

Those things happen far less often than you are making them out to be, at least in my experience PvPing. People are actually trying and doing things in FL currently, thanks to the changes. It's getting stomped and ran over by premades that filters them out ad leaves just those that don't care. I would love for more organized FL. RW doing a great job with it and they don't have the same problems FL does. But those abusing the queue system (it's just being being a premade, there's more to it) aren't making things any better. Sure, you can not be one of those and doing things fairly, but that isn't what's happening when certain other groups do it. And them stomping around isn't making FL any better. As I said before, getting people to care and gettign them interested means giving them something they feel like they can have fun with. Getting stomp doesn't do that or help things at all. I understand your compeititve spirit and how much you want to stack your favor for winning, but that isn't going to help FL get better at all.




And again by being all the same GC and abusing the queue system they aren't put into other GCs at all. The Adder premade team has existed since ARR, it's not a new thing at all. The people within has changed over time, but it has always been there.

[Arazehl]

Sadly this isn't the case on Aether. There was actual groups that get together on discord and voice chat to organize and abuse the queue system to be a premade together to stomp PUGs. I don't blame them for doing it. I just want to see premades fighting each other more often than premades stomping PUGs. Makes for more interesting fights.

I'm on Aether! It's not always pre-made as you might think. Sure there are linkshells and discord for pvp players to join. I was an Adder last year, this year I'm Maelstrom. Last year Adders sucked and Maelstrom was call out for being pre-made. Same crud diffrent team. Thing was the discord and linkshell I was in was made up of all three GC's.

Do pre-mades know more about what is expected in Frontline? Sure they do! Do we not have a an influx of players playing FFXIV from other MMO's? Are they in Frontline? Sure they are and they are running amuck at times, playing their style of PvP the way they are used to playing it previously in other games. If at each match you could explain to everyone of your team exactly what is needed to win versus saying nothing at all to those PUG's in Frontline, I guarantee you'd fair far better. I also notice teams fair better when there is a Field Commander making the calls versus those teams without any direction whatsoever. Let's just say it takes the right kind of recipe to have a prize winning pie. Thus why players in pvp, want to join a circle of like minded people, nothing wrong in that. So I would stop assuming pre-mades are to blame and take up a position for your team to encourage their chance of winning. Rally your team each match and stop blaming it on pre-mades.

Edit: Also I noticed you are lacking the drone mounts that you get for certain pvp achievements, so you hardly gotten your feet wet when it comes to pvp in this game. The crying of pre-made as an excuse for losing has been around for quite awhile. Don't let others rile you into thinking that it's the cause of poor performance of one GC or another in Frontline

[BubblyBoar]

I'm on Aether! It's not always pre-made as you might think. Sure there are linkshells and discord for pvp players to join. I was an Adder last year, this year I'm Maelstrom. Last year Adders sucked and Maelstrom was call out for being pre-made. Same crud diffrent team. Thing was the discord and linkshell I was in was made up of all three GC's.

Do pre-mades know more about what is expected in Frontline? Sure they do! Do we not have a an influx of players playing FFXIV from other MMO's? Are they in Frontline? Sure they are and they are running amuck at times, playing their style of PvP the way they are used to playing it previously in other games. If at each match you could explain to everyone of your team exactly what is needed to win versus saying nothing at all to those PUG's in Frontline, I guarantee you'd fair far better. I also notice teams fair better when there is a Field Commander making the calls versus those teams without any direction whatsoever. Let's just say it takes the right kind of recipe to have a prize winning pie. Thus why players in pvp, want to join a circle of like minded people, nothing wrong in that. So I would stop assuming pre-mades are to blame and take up a position for your team to encourage their chance of winning. Rally your team each match and stop blaming it on pre-mades.

Both Mael and Flames have groups that go in together. But Adders have the most that go most often. I know stomps are not always premades, but unless there's two groups of premades against each other, it's almost always a stomp in favor of said premade. I've led matches, many times to wins. I'm away you can herd and help PUGs. I have more faith in them than some that think the opposite in this topic, but I've also seen my fair share of people lose interest after being stomped constantly by premades when they are queueing.



People keep saying others don't care or don't try or don't want to take charge, but they don't want to be the one to change things and rather give up on everyone else. And it's mainly FL that has this problem. Feast and RW have the same people trying out those modes and people try a lot more in those. The difference is that queue abuse is harder for those two modes.

[Rhais]

No. They can and should just enforce freelancer at all times instead. Problem solved.

This is such an idiotic sentiment. Not letting people form parties in a team based mode within an MMO isn't solving any problem, it's creating one.
There was no problem to begin with, premades were never a problem that needed to be dealt with.

[Atreus]

No. They can and should just enforce freelancer at all times instead. Problem solved.

If you want to solo queue and not socialize, that's your prerogative. Doesn't mean everyone else has to.