The Frontlines Premade issue has not been fixed.

[Moonlite]

I Freelance quite often. It's always the same story. I already stated this. But feel free to break down sentences to suit your view.

However I agree that matchmaking is crap in SE. I don't want to steamroll teams. I want to play competitively. But FL is a giant meme at this point which can be fun but also frustrating.

I'm down for premade against premades 100% for FL even if it's just a 24 man.

Hell I'd be down for forced freelance 72 man and premade 24 mans.

But forced freelance for the crap I've seen in Flames and Adders who refuse to listen?

Hard pass.

Don't take away my ability to play with and against friends and force me into toxic teams who don't want to play or learn. I don't care if you suck, if you try and want to learn all good even if you never improve. But being hardheaded and wanting them carries is just annoying. Deleting my ability to play with friends, also annoying. My pvp friend list is significantly larger than "4" and 4 does jack against 24 if your team refuses to listen.

**Edit**

A compromise of adding 24s back for premades, sounds reasonable. Also would it really be that hard 3 of the 4 maps already had a 24 man system in place.



I do think you miss the point though of going down to 4 against 24, or at least what I thought the point was. They didn't want one party affecting the outcome of a match with other players who que casually.

[Voorhees13]

My point is that, that mentality is ridiculous in general. PvP is competitive in nature and for people who pour hours of time into practicing and learning shouldn't be punished by people who que casually just for a one time reward. I mean if that's the idea, the people who que casually get their reward, change the system of pvp through complaints, and those of us who que daily and play for hours specifically for pvp are punished because people don't want to learn is my specific point.

I doubt they will ever add 24s for premades, so instead I have to vent about the fact that I play mostly one main mode: pvp and that people want to break even further because they don't really want to play more than casually.

I do get your point, I just strongly disagree with it. PvP should be competitive as it is in every other game. Just because a casual player wants a mount doesn't mean pvp should be wrecked to allow that mentality. Its like me complaining that I want the mentor roulette mount but don't want to do the extremes to unlock mentor roulette. If more people actually made an effort to learn and listen to callouts and improve themselves, things would be better. I don't want to que for 1 hour [As Freelancer mind you] and end up on a team who does nothing. I'm on for hours on end, waiting for a q to pop, and then watching people afk, ignore calls, and do nothing and then blame "q syncs". Idk, that's my take on it.

I for one, as someone who practices and plays a lot, wouldn't want to be stomped by casuals who are mount farming just because I took time out to organize a team and learn to play cooperatively. I mean, can't every GC do that? Nah, they just jump Mael because they either want to be carried or Adders and Flames [at least on Crystal] refuse to listen most of the time.

[BloodRubyXII]

Thread title should be changed to:

The people not wanting to learn, wanting to be carried, afking, not wanting to coordinate, not wanting to play as a team, complaining about "premades" when the issue is most don't want to play together and learn, wanting things easy, refusing to listen to callouts, and generally being an uncooperative dodo has not been fixed.

Guess that title is too long though.

Yo have care lil buddy they ban for posts like that now, kappa.

[Voorhees13]

Really? FFXIV in 2019. RIP the future of free speech. Thanks bud.

[Moonlite]

How can it possibly be worst then this? https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...cgroup=Crystal This is not the only one like this, just the worst. Literally the only way it can get worse is if the people who were abusing the system take their ball and go home and we get no matches at all. But that is subjective too no game or a horrible game.



Ques are already a little sad during the day at about 3pm east coast time US when I start queing It can be 30 mins. Some people who miss pops because the way the duty finder fills is strange can be sitting at over an hour. Then the people who don't want change will claim that the change is bad because feast will siphon off even more people queing.

[Noitems]

How can it possibly be worst then this? https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...cgroup=Crystal This is not the only one like this, just the worst. Literally the only way it can get worse is if the people who were abusing the system take their ball and go home and we get no matches at all. But that is subjective too no game or a horrible game.



Ques are already a little sad during the day at about 3pm east coast time US when I start queing It can be 30 mins. Some people who miss pops because the way the duty finder fills is strange can be sitting at over an hour. Then the people who don't want change will claim that the change is bad because feast will siphon off even more people queing.

Keep in mind that the standings list your win for a GC even if you go Freelancer. For all we know a majority of these people could just be Freelancing. It's not the most accurate to judge, however I do know a fair amount of people in there that are almost always on Mael normally. When people get their mounts those spots will start dropping for those just syncing in.

[Moonlite]

Keep in mind that the standings list your win for a GC even if you go Freelancer. For all we know a majority of these people could just be Freelancing. It's not the most accurate to judge, however I do know a fair amount of people in there that are almost always on Mael normally. When people get their mounts those spots will start dropping for those just syncing in.

OK, thank you but I do know how achievements work in pvp. I am sure you meant well as some don't understand how they work still and we have had freelancer since HWs


Now lets cover a few things these same people that scream murder that they don't want to play with others are freelancing. Next you just admitted they are refusing to que other GCs while getting their mount. Finally and the most flawed part of your response. Somehow those people freelanced and won on adders and flames. Yet at the same time while they were winning on the adders and flames only 5(maybe 4) of those adders and flames got wins as well. You can not seriously be using the they might have won as freelancer. The math to make that leap is astounding. Someone who is way better at math then me could probably come up with some sort of formula/number. My just number out of the air. Is if one GC has over 80 of 100 spots they are not freelancing. That would still mean that one GC has at least 8 times more winners.



What also came up today with some one was "How would these same people feel if a group found a loophole to que a full party into feast?" I was kind of shocked I hadn't thought of that. But I am sure also some people are on discord and move into channels with each other when they get together in a match. So maybe these people don't care what they do to get wins, was what I came up with.

[BloodRubyXII]

OK, thank you but I do know how achievements work in pvp. I am sure you meant well as some don't understand how they work still and we have had freelancer since HWs

What also came up today with some one was "How would these same people feel if a group found a loophole to que a full party into feast?".

Achievements have nothing to do with what he said lol.


Also the two scenarios are not comparable. Feast queues are based on role so if all 4 of you tried syncing, your healer would get an instant pop, the rest of you would be in a 5-20 minute queue. Other than it being scummy there's a reason no one does it. Frontlines do not have the same system.

[Moonlite]

Achievements have nothing to do with what he said lol.


Also the two scenarios are not comparable. Feast queues are based on role so if all 4 of you tried syncing, your healer would get an instant pop, the rest of you would be in a 5-20 minute queue. Other than it being scummy there's a reason no one does it. Frontlines do not have the same system.

I meant that wins/achievments system since HWs has been the same for counting and pretending they freelanced those wins on other GCs was silly.


Next I didn't say it was possible. I said how would they feel if players found a loophole to abuse the system the same way. Just because something is broken in game doesn't mean you should do it. Specially if you wouldn't defend the same behavior in other aspects of the game. So even knowing that it would be very unlikely to stack players onto a feast team. If players figured out a way to play with their friends and improve the quality of players they could play with. Which are two of the most common complaints. You would approve that? If so I am sorry for questioning the defense of the current state of frontlines. It is clear that we have very different opinions about fair play. I respect someone who can come out and say they are on that side even if I think the reason is questionable.



So future "sorry" if that is how people think these modes should be played.

[Crit]

Improving on your own accord, encouraging your team to work together, listening to any call a potential leader makes, and going out of your way to make calls still is all out of the question I assume

Oh too much effort? Got me there scoobs!