No More Big Pulls in Dungeons

[Doozer]

I'll try my best not to sound like an ass, but that's not the communities problem, that's your problem. If you don't want large pulls, it's not difficult to say "hey guys, I have a wrist injury, would you mind doing smaller pull, I'd much appreciate it". Having a vendetta against big pulls just puts you in the wrong, having communication in the run is the best way to solve all situations.

Okay, but let me turn that around on you -- Why is it the community's problem when someone wants to go fast? If you want large pulls, it's not difficult to ask, "Hey guys, can I do large pulls? I'd much appreciate it". Having a vendetta against small pulls just puts you in the wrong, having communication in the run is the best way to solve all situations.

Only once in all the time I've played has anyone ever even said they were doing large pulls. No one has asked me if I wanted to. Why do I have to ask them not to, and not the other way around? Why is it okay to assume that one way of playing is the default, and that no one should even ask if that's what everyone wants to do?

[Lersayil]

Okay, but let me turn that around on you -- Why is it the community's problem when someone wants to go fast? If you want large pulls, it's not difficult to ask, "Hey guys, can I do large pulls? I'd much appreciate it". Having a vendetta against small pulls just puts you in the wrong, having communication in the run is the best way to solve all situations.

Only once in all the time I've played has anyone ever even said they were doing large pulls. No one has asked me if I wanted to. Why do I have to ask them not to, and not the other way around? Why is it okay to assume that one way of playing is the default, and that no one should even ask if that's what everyone wants to do?

Because its the widely accepted default. Its the optimal way to complete a dungeon and not exactly hard with proper gear and average skill levels. Unless there is a glaring reason to assume otherwise (noticably low item levels for instance), its what people expect and usually prefer.

If you have special circumstances that you cannot work around, and throw it out in chat, requesting smaller pulls as a healer or tank, I rarely see anyone argue.

EDIT: also, complementary acknowledgement that the OP is baiting.

[Tint]

Unless bothe the healer and the tank are comfortable with doing it then yes of course there is danger in doing it; and if you are going to say that in those 9000 dungeons you've never wiped because a tank pulled too much (intentionally or not) then I think you would be lying.

Of course I have wiped because the tank overpulled. But these cases are so rare, that happens less than 5 times in 100 dungeon runs. Most wipes in dungeons happen at bosses because of mechanic fails, and even these are rare.

Because of all the walls it's often impossible to overpull anyway.

[Awha]

I used to have an MMO mouse but I can't really re-learn to hit like 12 buttons with my thumb. But it happens no matter what I'm playing, if it's PC or console, if I play for too long or do way too many button presses in play session (like yesterday, I was mashing the button for Benefic II to try to heal that tank as quickly as my GCD would let me), so I just try not to play too much at a time, and not cause myself any unneeded stress.

However, that shouldn't mean that I'm the one that needs to set up a PF for every single duty, just to avoid that. It's always funny that people favor the ones that want to do things fast, or the meta, or whatever, and show no sympathy for people who go against that. It's not even with malice, I just can't do speedruns of every duty when I'm playing.

My issue with this mindset is while you may not see it as as such you are asking for special considerations to be made on your behalf. If the group wants a speed run, and you are unable to meet that demand then that is on you and not the group and I personally feel by no means should anyone take it personal just so happens that was not the right group.

Granted, just my two cents.

[Mavrias]

I did speak for myself. You can't just throw that in like a trump card as an argument against whatever I said.

I don't want to further injure my wrist because someone is in a hurry to be in a hurry. And just because the herd is doing it, that doesn't mean I have to conform to that. People swear that healer queues are instant anyway, so go ahead and kick me because you died despite me casting literally as fast as I possibly can, I'll get back in with a tank that actually respects me and doesn't see me as a "heal slut" or whatever it is they call healers these days.

"Going fast might be 'fun' for the tank and DPS, but the healer usually ends up sweating and can't do damage at all."

Don't make generalizations, then. You claim you're being disrespected because the tank dares do the standard strats in a level cap dungeon without asking you for permission? I have to laugh.

I wouldn't kick you for letting me die, I'm not that petty. Probably would if you went on a tirade about it instead of just asking me to stick with doubles or something, though.
Also where did the "heal slut" thing come from?

[Rilifane]

That's the exact opposite of a healer that knows what they're doing. Healing takes priority, and you should never, ever, let your tanks health dip low willingly, especially in newer content where tank busters are exceedingly common.

A healer who lets people drop without them dying is actually someone who knows precisely what he is doing.
It's fine to play it a bit safe if it's your first run but after that you should have an idea about which cast is the tankbuster, which is the party-wide damage and which mechanic is completely avoidable.

Instant casts should be saved for emergencies when they're actually needed, not wasted over misunderstood priority or outright laziness.

Absolutely not.
A healer that is saving strong instant/ oGCD heals for emergencies definitely doesn't know what he's doing. They are there to prevent emergencies from happening in the first place while freeing up time to dps which -again- avoids emergency situations in the first place - dead mobs can't kill you.
Relying on hard-casted heals is the most inefficient way to heal past a certain level and a last resort when other options are exhausted. This isn't about messed-up priorities or laziness, it's simply the most efficient way to heal. Period.
Letting instants and oGCDs sit is a bad habit. It's fine for someone new and inexperienced, escpecially if they came over from a game where you needed to save them and healers were much weaker compared to incoming damage. But part of learning the healer role is using your full kit to it's full potential and that includes utilizing instants and oGCDs as often as possible to maximize dps time without frontloading them.

[Hash_Browns]

That's the exact opposite of a healer that knows what they're doing. Healing takes priority, and you should never, ever, let your tanks health dip low willingly, especially in newer content where tank busters are exceedingly common.

Instant casts should be saved for emergencies when they're actually needed, not wasted over misunderstood priority or outright laziness.

Hello there. PLD main here, previously AST/SCH in SB, but I didn't do the endgame savage content then.

This is the exact opposite of what you should be telling people.
As long as my healers keep me alive, I don't care if I am at 1 HP or 100,000 HP.

Healers should mainly use oGCDs to heal, and DPS while they don't need to heal.

More damage from healers = more mobs dead = less heals needed = faster dungeon/trial/raid

[Mendalas]

Man that first big pull in Acedemia Anyder is so satisfying. Gotta basically rotate all the cd's. Feels great!

[Jybril]

Okay, but let me turn that around on you -- Why is it the community's problem when someone wants to go fast? If you want large pulls, it's not difficult to ask, "Hey guys, can I do large pulls? I'd much appreciate it". Having a vendetta against small pulls just puts you in the wrong, having communication in the run is the best way to solve all situations.

Only once in all the time I've played has anyone ever even said they were doing large pulls. No one has asked me if I wanted to. Why do I have to ask them not to, and not the other way around? Why is it okay to assume that one way of playing is the default, and that no one should even ask if that's what everyone wants to do?

The other day my co-heal in Copied told us all she had a hand injury recently and was sorry in advance.
She still did really good but I was grateful that she told me, so I can put a bit extra in my heals and
I even Rescued her once and got a thank you from it.

Thing is, people will not know if you have an issue if you don't communicate.
So speak up! Large pulls have been a thing for many years. Sorry you have the injury though.
You could also try being a WHM since it's easier to manage things with them.

[Videra]

That's the exact opposite of a healer that knows what they're doing. Healing takes priority, and you should never, ever, let your tanks health dip low willingly, especially in newer content where tank busters are exceedingly common.

You evidently know very little about healing then, yikes. Tanks do not need to be topped off at all times in most of the content in this game. Letting the health of your tank dip to 50% is totally fine and common in the majority of cases, especially when you have tanks like Warrior and Gunbreaker - who can bolide or holmgang to cheese busters. Then you just pop a regen or tetra onto them. If you're Scholar, you probably already set down recitation excog. You have options, OGCDs don't cost mana and are not there for emergencies, and regens are fairly powerful. There are of course cases where you want the party to be topped off, but these are fewer and farther in between. Quake in Hades EX comes to mind. So use your OGCDs when you need to put a little spot healing down and DPS 'till your heart's content.