Races of the Source vs the First and those unique to each

[Brightamethyst]

I think too much of the 1st Shard has been destroyed to say if the races we don't see on the 1st Shard weren't actually there at some point in time. Other then races like the Ixal (which are Allagan creations) it's entirely possible they migrated to different parts of the 1st Shard and were simply swallowed up by the Flood.

Pretty much this. We only know what we see. There could very well be First versions of goblins, ananta, vanu vanu, etc, and we just don't know about it because they were all gone long before we ever got there.

[Enkidoh]

There is a sort of goblin on the First, hobgoblins specifically, although they don't seem to be a beastrace per se and just generic monsters fought on the beaches in Kholusia (also, like the Eorzean/Source goblins that take the appearence of FFXI's goblins, the First's hobgoblins actually take the form of FFI's goblin enemies instead). So whether the hobgoblins are a similar race to the Source's goblins (and just evolved differently) or are a completely different species is unclear (I'm liable to lean towards the later theory myself though).

I think too much of the 1st Shard has been destroyed to say if the races we don't see on the 1st Shard weren't actually there at some point in time. Other then races like the Ixal (which are Allagan creations) it's entirely possible they migrated to different parts of the 1st Shard and were simply swallowed up by the Flood.

Most of the fae races in Ill Mheg were specifically mentioned during the MSQ as having fled to there from elsewhere on the First due to the Flood (only the nu mou were native to the area, having been shown in Echo scenes to have been there during the heyday of the Voeburt kingdom at least), so in reverse it is highly likely a lot of 'missing' races from the Source that haven't yet been seen in the First were simply rendered extinct by the Flood.

We've already seen that Roegayden and Au Ra are in the location of Corethas (instead of Elezen), while the Kobald and Lalafel swapped places. There's also primarily Viera in the place the Black Shroud is instead of Elezen. And the Elezen were in the 1st Shard's verions of Mor Dhona. So there's already a precedent for different races settling in different locations on the 1st Shard compared to the Source.

A lot of that could be just put down to "it's a paralell world so things turned out differently there", but you also have to remember that most of the current day races in Eorzea on the Source have had constant cycles of migration and the rise and fall of successive nations due to the constant cycles of Astral and Umbral Eras, with Calamities serving as a repeating cultural reset button, none of which ever happened on the Shards, until the First was hit with the Flood of Light, and then everything there went to hell in a handbasket. So the races of the Source have long been moving around the world, settling nations that are often destroyed and replaced when a Calamity hits, something the First never had.

[myahele]

The Elfin Bow in the loorbook talks about how there was once an tall and slender race knowns as "Elves" that the Allagans warred with and made extinct I think. It's not known if they were related to the modern Elezens.

At the very least, it looks like some racial names were shared between the Source and the 1st, but due to various reasons the names changed between shards. Makes sense since they all had the same origins until the Hydaelyn split the world

[Erendis]

If you go by another Final Fantasy game, moogle exist in the rift between worlds, so perhaps they came from the rift after the worlds were separated.

My thought was that moogles can travel between shards and that's how they managed to keep the same name.

Or maybe they are also unsundered aliens who somehow managed to end up everywhere

[Johaandr]

I beliebe that the first is the «first» era of the source.
I mean that is how the Source atleast looked like before all the calamities happend and reshapen the continents and enviroments.
So there was indeed fea in source but not the exact same type that lives on the first.

[Kobalos]

They are even older than the Ascians. They are the true cosmogony.

I for one welcome our little furry pom spouting overlords

[Noitems]

perhaps lending some weight to the idea that Bismarck (also a Fae) created the Sea of Clouds?

Long, long ago, in a time when not a single cloud marred the blue vastness of the sky, a stark white calf was born to a pod of sea-dwelling whales. The pale-hued Bismarck endured endless cruelty from his grey-skinned siblings, until one day they suffered the "abomination" to live no more. It is said that the gods wept at his piteous fate, and when his tortured soul ascended to the heavens they returned the white whale to life. His rebirth blessed by divine grace, Bismarck swam through the air, the whale's breath begetting billowing clouds until the sky was filled with a sea of tranquil mist. Master and creator of this peaceful domain, he thence became known as the Lord of the Mists.Compassionate and gentle, Bismarck raised entire islands into the heavens to provide sanctuary for those who had suffered similar torments. The Vanu Vanu mark this occasion in their history as the moment when the Sea of Clouds became their home.

I mean we know Bismarck was the one who created the Sea of Clouds, so this does add more to the concept of our Bismarck being a Fae and how it ties itself back to the First.

[LineageRazor]

So whether the hobgoblins are a similar race to the Source's goblins (and just evolved differently) or are a completely different species is unclear (I'm liable to lean towards the later theory myself though).

I think the Hobgoblins are very clearly meant to be the First's Goblins, not a separate race at all. They answer the age-old question (dating back to FFXI!) of just what a Goblin looks like with its mask off. (The answer? They look like classic FF goblins, of course!)

They're probably as surly as they are due to having to smell us stinky humans all the time. Kind of makes me want to be the entrepreneur who introduces breathing masks filled with fragrant herbs to the Hobgoblins. Totes should have been part of the Facet questlines, given we did the same for Amal'ja gauntlets and such. It could revolutionize human/Kobold relations - and become gillionaires in the process!

[Enkidoh]

I think the Hobgoblins are very clearly meant to be the First's Goblins, not a separate race at all. They answer the age-old question (dating back to FFXI!) of just what a Goblin looks like with its mask off. (The answer? They look like classic FF goblins, of course!)

They're probably as surly as they are due to having to smell us stinky humans all the time. Kind of makes me want to be the entrepreneur who introduces breathing masks filled with fragrant herbs to the Hobgoblins. Totes should have been part of the Facet questlines, given we did the same for Amal'ja gauntlets and such. It could revolutionize human/Kobold relations - and become gillionaires in the process!

Well, there is old concept art from FFXI that supposedly shows a FFXI/FFXIV goblin without it's mask, which looks nothing like the 'classic' FFI style goblin, but I doubt the accuracy/canocity of the piece in question (the goblin in the image has glowing yellow eyes, where as goblins have large dark eyes (which could be seen on the 'goblin tinkerer' type goblins, the ones in silver armour whose helmets allowed their eyes to be visible.). Either way, if that image is to be believed, goblins are green-skinned, vaguely boar-like creatures, unlike the hobgoblins of the First (and FFI's goblins) that are rather ugly vaguely human-looking gnome-like creatures, not surprising given FFI was basically a Japanese clone of Dungeons and Dragons, but I digress...

Also, in regards to their masks, has it been mentioned anywhere here in FFXIV that the reason goblins wear their masks is the same reason they did in FFXI? (That is, they cannot stand the smell of the 'enlightened races' and so their masks contain odour filters to remove them.). I do know they do filter odours in any event, but I just don't know if they can't stand our scent! (It would explain how they can stand repugnant odours like that smelly cheese the Illuminati stole from Brayflox, their masks filter out the smell!).

I'm getting off topic though.

[LineageRazor]

Also, in regards to their masks, has it been mentioned anywhere here in FFXIV that the reason goblins wear their masks is the same reason they did in FFXI? (That is, they cannot stand the smell of the 'enlightened races' and so their masks contain odour filters to remove them.). I do know they do filter odours in any event, but I just don't know if they can't stand our scent! (It would explain how they can stand repugnant odours like that smelly cheese the Illuminati stole from Brayflox, their masks filter out the smell!).

Actually, yes! There's a Gnath Beast Tribes repeatable quest in which you procure the herbs for the mask, and it explains why the Goblins need them. While Upworlder stench is not the only reason, it's one of them.