Thread: Ranged in 5.1

Originally Posted by Crit

It's pretty sad how range are in Frontlines, they're honestly just free food for enemy melees to dive to and one shot then disengage all happy with 10 extra battle high gauge then said melee just snowballs for the rest of the match with rinse and repeating one shotting range in feint+burst window until max high. Atleast that's how you do 1.5 mil dmg as drg, feint dsight life surge 1600 pot gcd stardiver nastrond gcd high jump smite elusive out and bolt away ezclap fun balanced gamemode haha

I really don't think ranged are in a bad situation in FL overall and I really don't think playing melee is anywhere near as free as you make it sound. When I play WAR I'll gladly eat up all the defensive CDs and getaways melee think they can use when they make a reckless play. These tools, especially the absolutely magnificent Elusive Jump, do allow us to to make plays, but it is more opportunistic in general. Range damage is massively important because they are always doing damage, while melee is situational. Ranged is the role where I am more interested in how much damage people have on the score sheet at the end, as ranged are integral in wearing down the enemy potions and healer CDs allowing us to get through the enemy frontline and onto those squishy targets tucked away.

With regards to balance I do think the +15% damage bonus on melee is a bit unnecessary and I do think NIN should be brought down a bit while MNK and SAM are given some better tools to keep up in a greater range of scenarios. Like it's really weird MNK, the purest of melee, has no tools to get out of a situation while DRG, the job with an amazing engage game and a huge pool of midrange options, gets to just cancel Holmgang if we feel inconvenienced. We have some balance problems within the ranged classification, too; IMO BLM and DNC are superior to the others, sometimes grossly so with DNC basically having all the advantages of MCH but with more utility and mobility.

What it's like playing M Ranged in Feast atm:
12.5k hp pool.
2 potions.
Ill wind working as a full on pacify instead of just a silence - so cant ward or potion under the influence of it.
Average burst windows hitting you for 5-7k.
Potions being on tick delay, use too early and it lands with you on full HP, use too late and you die even if you pressed it on 5k hp.
Potion heal potency is based on remaining hp, but it's unlike you can use one before 50% HP without dying. A melee is more likely to get away with using a potion on 30% HP and getting the full benefit of it than a range is, because 30% hp for a range is like under 4k hp - and there are executes in the game that'll hit you harder the lower hp you are, but snap punch and a TFC will kill you at that hp. Physical range have the same HP, but have better kiting potential in just about every way (lol dancer)
We don't even have the HP trait anymore to use as a crutch.
Endless frustration because a melee can push in constantly and freely do damage whilst having amazing survivability and if you follow you leave the sanctuary of the walls and get 100-0'd if you don't have an escape.


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Originally Posted by Divinemights

I did some search and saw few JP frontline/feast video. The coordination between ransoms is very impressive. Tanks are doing their function correctly. Any Meele cross the fire line wth fetter ward still getting neutralized by rotation is correct CCs. No wonder they keep put a shackle on the Ranges

They don’t have issue with premade because their randoms have same lvl of coordination.

Well ye the Russians are the exact same on WoW.

Its actually disgusting on a whole new level how there is 0 counterplay for melee LB on a range in culling 2+

just wait until you get stunned or track the stun cd haha

or just fetterward haha

I honestly don't understand how SE is so bad at balancing this aspect of the game. Ranged DPS have to do so much to get kills yet you pick up something like DRG and you can get 5 kills in a row by hitting the same two buttons over and over again.

Do they even test their so called "balance changes" before they go live?

Originally Posted by Ahzuran

Ranged DPS have to do so much to get kills yet you pick up something like DRG and you can get 5 kills in a row by hitting the same two buttons over and over again.

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