Ranged in 5.1

**Divinemights** · 11-23-2019 04:08 AM

Originally Posted by Ryaz

I'm brand new to PvP. I'd say that's an excuse. Lol. I have to learn. Which is why I came here. No need to be a jerk about it.

I have some advises for you:

Take Arm's Lengthen and Fetter Ward, do not pick Feint and Bloodbath and ignore backstep.
You can move when casting Midare Setsugekka as the action will be register by the server when cast bar is at 50% (0.5s). You will not getting interrupt and able to follow up with Tsubame-gaeshi
Chiten is not really that useful as someone claim it to be as the animation is too noticeable. It also only parry 5 attacks and most people would stop attacking when they see the animation. This is why you are taking Arm's Lengthen to co-use with Chiten. Arm's Length is better in large scale as it is a duration action and applies to to all targets that is attacking you.
Chiten is last resort and should not rely on it. It is much weaker than Monk's new Riddle of Earth and Ninja's new Shukuchi
Enpi is your distance control.

Just keep in mind that Samurai is weakest among four close range jobs as it is not ideal for mass scale PvP (Chiten is not sustainable as Riddle of Earth and Shukuchi; not even par with Dragoon's backflip that can break free from Holmgang) ps. may need a correction on this.
You need to be smarter and pay attention to the surrounding; in another word, better situation awarness.
Never use lock in target function.
Your strength is your short term burst where Samurai is the best among 4 but your sustain damage is only better than Ninja.
Do not try to take on skilled Monk because once their sustain + burst will outlast you in encounter is longer than 60s.

I hope this will helps you in the Frontline

**Divinemights** · 11-23-2019 04:30 AM

It is also interesting to see why English players believed Ranges are weak while Japanese players thinks Ranges are too strong (especially Black Mage)

フィースト強ジョブ
・メレー部門:侍モ竜
・ヒラ部門:占
・タンク部門:ナ戦暗
・レンジ部門:黒

Jobs that strong in Feast:
Meele: Samurai, Monk, Dragon
Healer: all
Tank: Paladin, Warrior, Knight
Range: Black Mage

シールロック、氷強ジョブ
・メレー部門:存在価値なし
・ヒラ部門:占
・タンク部門:全て
・レンジ部門:黒踊

Jobs that Strong in Seal Rock and Shatter:

Meele: no reason to exist
Healer: Ast
Tank: All
Range: Dancer and Black Mage

制圧、RW強ジョブ
・メレー部門:忍
・ヒラ部門:占
・タンク部門:どれでもいい
・レンジ部門:黒

Jobs strong in Secure and Rival Wing:
Meele: Ninja
Healer: Ast
Tank: ANy
Range: Black Mage

**Esmoire** · 11-23-2019 07:47 AM

Originally Posted by Divinemights

Jobs that Strong in Seal Rock and Shatter:

Meele: no reason to exist
Healer: Ast
Tank: All
Range: Dancer and Black Mage

Hyperbole aside, I do agree melee is a little tricky on Shatter. I do like having a few melee on every alliance for objective damage and I think DRG's superior midrange game lets them still perform well, though I can see why someone might feel they are weaker on that map.

Their proposed opinion on Seal Rock however is a bit strange. With the exception of a few nodes (namely the coast) I think the objective type and layout is great for melee. In general melee wants a lot of terrain features that either make it easy to corner the enemy or a lot of turns that obstruct line-of-sight, which Seal Rock has plenty of.

**Nedkel** · 11-22-2019 01:52 AM

As far as i played frontlines i did not see samurais making a giant difference. I guess its just balancd.
Dragoon and ninja on the other hand...
I think rangeds should get a 2k hp buff and melee should have 5 or 10% deffensive taken away. I dont see much problems with tanks.

**Esmoire** · 11-22-2019 03:12 AM

Originally Posted by Nedkel

As far as i played frontlines i did not see samurais making a giant difference. I guess its just balancd.
Dragoon and ninja on the other hand...
I think rangeds should get a 2k hp buff and melee should have 5 or 10% deffensive taken away. I dont see much problems with tanks.

With regards to frontlines, speaking very generally here:

NIN is low risk, high reward
DRG is low risk, reasonable reward
MNK is high risk, high reward
SAM is low risk, low reward

When you play melee in FL, you are basically always evaluating what you can get away. Like, OK getting this completely isolated player is simple enough, but can we pounce upon a healer or something that is just a little over-extended? For NIN and DRG it is very easy to get in, very easy to get out. Like with DRG we literally get to cancel Holmgang on a 30 sec CD. With MNK, we have a shorter gap-closer than DRG in exchange for being stickier in-combat, we have no exclusive escapes, and no ranged attack to build resources or stay safely engaged. When MNK carries a game, it is usually a very scrappy environment where melee is always on-top of the enemy and then MNK burst is out of control, making it the most inconsistent as far as scenario and battleground is concerned. SAM on the other hand, while of course all melee have decent blowup to varying degree, I find the way SAM taxes healers doesn't translate as well to FL. At the very least the movement action is more versatile and the defensive CD scales with pressure.

**BloodRubyXII** · 11-23-2019 08:04 AM

JP meta is different, that's why.

And BLM is stupid strong.

**Nedkel** · 11-24-2019 01:07 AM

Originally Posted by BloodRubyXII

JP meta is different, that's why.

And BLM is stupid strong.

BLM is only strong if you know how to play it with team, 1v1 with anyone its getting rekt well at least when i catch them on my tanks they get obliterated. xD

**BloodRubyXII** · 11-24-2019 01:14 AM

Originally Posted by Nedkel

BLM is only strong if you know how to play it with team, 1v1 with anyone its getting rekt well at least when i catch them on my tanks they get obliterated. xD

Yea well 1v1 is irrelevant.

**Astrophysx** · 11-24-2019 01:26 AM

BLM is strong in Frontlines. Duels is a different story.

**Nedkel** · 11-24-2019 06:10 AM

Originally Posted by BloodRubyXII

Yea well 1v1 is irrelevant.

Not really it does happen often in small fights.

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