Thread: Seeds of 7.0 and on?

Originally Posted by QT_Melon

There was already a multi page debate about the Sundering/Murdering difference and unfortunately, because of people's mindsets there's no definite conclusion that what happened wasn't as bad even if technically not the same thing.

Thanks for the heads up.
last time it was time travel over dimensional travel.

Originally Posted by MrThinker

As a rebuttal, the phrase 'nearly half' I, and a lot of people I know, use generally to say "it's not exactly half, but its close enough to half that you can use 50% for an approximate amount to calculate stuff with, and if anyone disagrees they're thinking too much into it". Not to say that it is 100% the meaning many others may intend when they use the phrase, but it's what I have experienced generally speaking.

As a rebuttal it's pretty clunky
Phrases are cultural. So differences in the use of a phase and meaning of a phrase will be found in different places of the world as well and different social groups.

example: Some people will say nearly half is 51% too

So the spirit of the phases meaning will be different to different people. Phases have a literal meaning in the words used too: Half, is 1/2 or 50%, and nearly, being very close to or almost.

Considering it moved to math in % then the literal meaning becomes the issue. Math is very literal.

This all arose from me understating the amount in my point to its detriment. However even with that disadvantage the spirit of the point still stands. Probably even stand stronger as a result of the under embellishment.

Originally Posted by MrThinker

As an extra note regarding the power levels of Zodiark and Hydaelyn, it was stated by one of the lore team (either Koji or Oda I don't remember) that Zodiark was indeed the more powerful one of the 2 before the Sundering.

That's good point for any saying otherwise. I'm not. I was pointing out the huge swing in the scales between the two tipped to Zoidark.

If that is the power needed for a will of the star then was speculating answers why Hydaelyn was so little.

Zoidark's creation energy wasn't all in bring a will to the star.
◾hailing the calamity may have taken energy. However Zoidark's concept was to do that.
◾will to the star wasn't the entire concept, sighting excessive build in destructive power was to deter, defend, reprise external threats to the planet.

Hydaelyn being an amendment to Zoidark's will of the star fits too.
why have to competing wills of the same star?

When we first meet Hydealyn

Hydealyn's greeting state they are "all made one"

lol still have a full page to respond to >_< no time at the moment will post later or edit

Originally Posted by fay2

Phrases are cultural. So differences in the use of a phase and meaning of a phrase will be found in different places of the world as well and different social groups.

example: Some people will say nearly half is 51% too

So the spirit of the phases meaning will be different to different people. Phases have a literal meaning in the words used too: Half, is 1/2 or 50%, and nearly, being very close to or almost.

Considering it moved to math in % then the literal meaning becomes the issue. Math is very literal.

Yes it is just fine for you to claim that "nearly half" = 1/3 and "another half" = 1/3.

Originally Posted by fay2

Yeah it seems liking to me that Zodiark and Hydaelyn are one in the same or some fashion like that. I mean it took 1/3 of the Amaurotians to make Zodiark another 1/3 to return life to the planet.

I am not sure I will be able to take anything you write seriously after this...

Originally Posted by fay2

As a rebuttal it's pretty clunky
Phrases are cultural. So differences in the use of a phase and meaning of a phrase will be found in different places of the world as well and different social groups.

example: Some people will say nearly half is 51% too

So the spirit of the phases meaning will be different to different people. Phases have a literal meaning in the words used too: Half, is 1/2 or 50%, and nearly, being very close to or almost.

Considering it moved to math in % then the literal meaning becomes the issue. Math is very literal.

True, phrases are cultural, with different meanings in different places. But 'nearly' in of itself means the term described is comparable to the term 'nearly' is used with. In math, if it is said that 'x is nearly equal to y' then 'y' can be used as a valid substitution in any calculations involving 'x' as long as we remember that it is an approximation. In this case 'x' s the true amount of souls sacrificed for Zodiark, while 'y' is 50% of the survivors, and as such using 50% is a valid approximation.

And yes, 51% is close enough to 50% that using 50% would be a valid approximation in that case too.