Seeds of 7.0 and on?

[fay2]

Rife Spoilers and Wild Speculation ahead.










I see Seeds to a future existential threat greater that Zodiark
been told I should post them here so...


I'm sure durring the duty Amaurot most people where looking down at the planet


its understandable its an epic view

it dose seem to me that not many look up at and take note of this



and those that do rarely see it as something more than pretty space thing?



To me i see it as the red flame depicted in the caves



That red fire is in all the 4 painting featured and we have only been told one very point of the story those cave paintings tell Emet Selch's .



I'd be interested in hearing Elidibus' honest account and if it differs from Emits account.

Emet Selch also mentions that


Who knows as we are exposed to more of the Amaurotians soul we are part/we made of, we may get echo's that say something completely different again.


I also find it telling that they make a point to avoid showing the top part of the 1st cave painting


Over all I see this as an alien threat to the planet that Amaurotians were completely unready for.
Maybe this will have parallels with the events of the dragon star.

[DamianFatale]

I didn't notice they avoided the top part. I'm curious if it can be seen going back through the Raktika dungeon..

[fay2]

I didn't notice they avoided the top part. I'm curious if it can be seen going back through the Raktika dungeon..

^^ yes it can be


looks to me like Amaurot is getting orbital bombarded in it

[KageTokage]

I'm kind of hoping 6.0 resolves both the conflict with Garlemald and the Ascians but at the same time reveals that there's a bigger problem at hand that had only been barely kept in check by Zodiark/Hydaelyn and ends up being unleashed due to Zenos' meddling.

I think it would be a good twist if we actually end up cooperating with the remaining Ascians in a bid to simply to save the world after our little conflict of ideals reaches its end.

[Tracewood]

I'm kind of hoping 6.0 resolves both the conflict with Garlemald and the Ascians but at the same time reveals that there's a bigger problem at hand that had only been barely kept in check by Zodiark/Hydaelyn and ends up being unleashed due to Zenos' meddling.

I think it would be a good twist if we actually end up cooperating with the remaining Ascians in a bid to simply to save the world after our little conflict of ideals reaches its end.

It's possible, Elidibus or Emet(if current speculation at the 5.1 zinger is anything to go by) might have a change of heart if the conditions are met (Zodiark betrayal, Zodiarks death, Hydaelyn betrayal possible, enemy of my enemy). I think Golbez was like this in FF4 but it's been age since I've played so I don't remember the story well.

[DaBigDorf]

It's possible, Elidibus or Emet(if current speculation at the 5.1 zinger is anything to go by) might have a change of heart if the conditions are met (Zodiark betrayal, Zodiarks death, Hydaelyn betrayal possible, enemy of my enemy). I think Golbez was like this in FF4 but it's been age since I've played so I don't remember the story well.

Golbez was

hypnotized just like Kain by Zemus

[WrenElessedil]

Golbez was

hypnotized just like Kain by Zemus

I'd say that could make for an even better parallel.

Elidibus is also "hypnotized" (tempered) like Golbez. Coincidentally, what did we just learn about a potential cure for? The fact that they brought up a cure for tempering means it will be used at some point, and doing it to an Ascian would have the biggest impact on the story.

[LineageRazor]

I'd say that could make for an even better parallel.

Elidibus is also "hypnotized" (tempered) like Golbez. Coincidentally, what did we just learn about a potential cure for? The fact that they brought up a cure for tempering means it will be used at some point, and doing it to an Ascian would have the biggest impact on the story.

Possibly, but I still believe that

Tempering was something the Convocation added to Zodiark by design, as a control mechanism for stopping the uncontrollable Creation going on at the time. Whether this is true or not, I ALSO feel that the desire to sacrifice the New Life in order to restore the previous sacrifices was not Zodiark's desire, but that of the Convocation. If either or both of these things are true, then Elidibus would act no differently when freed from Tempering than he did while Tempered, since both the Tempering and the great sacrifice are things he himself wants, not things Zodiark wants.

Zodiark, as he's been presented so far, is basically just a tool. He does what his summoners ask of him, and desires nothing other than the fuel necessary to perform those tasks.

Of course, that COULD be the Big Twist - after painstakingly laying a trap for Elidibus, the Scions are able to remove him from Zodiark's control - only for nothing to change at all, as his desires remain unchanged!

[Driven]

On the note of an external threat, It would wrap up nicely in a poetic way if the remaining asians somehow helped the warrior of light by sacrificing themselves thus ending their story arc and having a somewhat redeeming quality to them. They did it once, I think it would be poetic if they did it again.

[fay2]

so the 3 unbroken are/were members of The Convocation of Fourteen

Elidibus - Emissary
Lahabrea - Speaker
Emet-Seich - Chair

Just the sort of group that might make a good envoy to treat with something/somewhere external to the planet? thus meaning they were not there for the sundering, and remained hole.

Emet just before the Amaurot duty mentions we would make for poor stewards of any star.




That would also mean the account given by Emet-Seich of the last painting is not 1st hand experience but something Emet came to after returning, and may not been there for the 3rd painting either.
We can assume safely that he was on the planet during the time the 1st and 2nd paintings depict. even if he glazed over all the information they depict.

I'm kind of hoping 6.0 resolves both the conflict with Garlemald and the Ascians but at the same time reveals that there's a bigger problem at hand that had only been barely kept in check by Zodiark/Hydaelyn and ends up being unleashed due to Zenos' meddling.

Yeah it seems liking to me that Zodiark and Hydaelyn are one in the same or some fashion like that. I mean it took 1/3 of the Amaurotians to make Zodiark another 1/3 to return life to the planet.

So with 1/3 remaining a small fractured group of that 1/3 summoned Hydaelyn and was equal to Zodiark?

if we go back and look at these 3 paintings again

Note the rings over the head of the deities.

Zodiark has 2 "halos", then Zodiark and Hydaelyn have a "halo" each, finally Hydaelyn has 2 "halos" and Zodiark has none.
Also Zodiark has a red aura. Infected with the "Red flame"?

I'd say "Hydaelyn" was an amendment to "Zodiark" after the "Red flame" infected Zodiark like a parasite.

I think it would be a good twist if we actually end up cooperating with the remaining Ascians in a bid to simply to save the world after our little conflict of ideals reaches its end.

On the note of an external threat, It would wrap up nicely in a poetic way if the remaining asians somehow helped the warrior of light by sacrificing themselves thus ending their story arc and having a somewhat redeeming quality to them. They did it once, I think it would be poetic if they did it again.

Indeed it would.

To that effect I would hope on the return of Emet soon as a lesser ascian made by Elidibus with what ever bits of his shattered soul that was left.



Elidibus is really stressed at the moment leaves it open for Emet's recreation to go majorly array much like Hythlodaeus and maybe get an allied version of Emet plus lots of stuff to delve into if that happened.
I'd love to see how Emet would coupe with self awareness of his death and now being little more than one of the tattered souls he holds with contempt.