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    Quote Originally Posted by Oxdarock View Post
    Pretty sure I've become infamous at this point, unfortunately. Happens when you challenge common convention.
    You lost me when you made rotations with the pretty basic mistake of not reading / understanding the action tooltip. I'll use rotations from people who actually play the classes they are theorycrafting for thanks.

    I agree with the sentiment that new players should be skipping your rotation posts. Thankfully I know to look at The Balance and hope new players look it up as well.
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    Seeing you opening up rotations with dots hurt me. For one. Playing a card too soon after the dot is cast will make you fail to gain a seal since the game hasn't registered you in combat yet. For two. Precasting is a thing for literally every caster because it reduces your ramp-up and thus increases your burst.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brandedblade View Post
    Seeing you opening up rotations with dots hurt me. For one. Playing a card too soon after the dot is cast will make you fail to gain a seal since the game hasn't registered you in combat yet. For two. Precasting is a thing for literally every caster because it reduces your ramp-up and thus increases your burst.
    I see the concern, but I'm not sure if that's always true? Just went on a striking dummy myself and even when using combust and a card on myself rapid fire using the skill queing system, it took at least a 3rd of the recast before the card was applied. Maybe it's a latency thing?

    As for not pre-casting spells, that's done so that the pot catches both DoT casts, plus both AST and SCH have a lot of oGCDs to press (using a Pot in the beginning keeps you from using a R2 to weave it in) while WHM just casts Glare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oxdarock View Post
    I see the concern, but I'm not sure if that's always true? Just went on a striking dummy myself and even when using combust and a card on myself rapid fire using the skill queing system, it took at least a 3rd of the recast before the card was applied. Maybe it's a latency thing?
    Did you account for skill/spell speed in your maths? At least on The Balance openers they account for latency and often provide adjustments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrMagic View Post
    Did you account for skill/spell speed in your maths? At least on The Balance openers they account for latency and often provide adjustments.
    I do. It's just that particular point with missing a seal after using combust I'm not 100% sure of given my ping. Makes perfect sense, but I'm unable to test it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oxdarock View Post
    I see the concern, but I'm not sure if that's always true? Just went on a striking dummy myself and even when using combust and a card on myself rapid fire using the skill queing system, it took at least a 3rd of the recast before the card was applied. Maybe it's a latency thing?
    My latency is good enough most of the time and it's about 50/50 that I'll get the seal using a card on the first global on a test dummy. The whole "in combat" thing is so finicky anyway, and that's why all recommended AST openers put the first card in the second offensive global, because we rely too much on that first seal, and having to fish/play again on the fly completely obliterates any opener--optimized or no.

    I find the information in this video to be extremely helpful for AST opener https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RWQ_TnJqqcw It has served me well and I recommend it to any AST player. This rotation gets Divination out ASAP but also doesn't leave that first seal to chance.
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