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    EONX_'s Avatar
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    Aeon Lunar
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    Lamia
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    Dragoon Lv 80
    Optimization is not as simple as looking up tooltips and saying "Hey this has higher potency!". It requires very in-depth math on both potencies yes, but also long term scenarios on an encounter and how other jobs and their buffs might provide to your rotation. A solid example for this is the BRD opener. In an isolated encounter with only your own personal buffs, Barrage can be used very quickly if not immediately after DoTs have been applied on the target as there are no other buffs to factor in. BRD delays their Barrage (assuming no unexpected downtime that might become a problem to this) in the Raging Strikes window in their openers to get more raid buffs on it.

    My other problem is with how you're presenting this. My real concern is the affect that this might have on newer players to this game that might see this and go "Oh so this is how I'm supposed to be playing my job!" These openers are mathematically proven to be less optimal than the current ones, yet you insist these are superior than the current openers, OR can be used as alternatives with similar results. By continuing this insistence, you're pushing these openers to new eyes and potentially to people that don't know that these openers are A; not optimal and B; line up horribly with the other openers because of how delayed the raid buffs are. Whether intentional or not, you're harming the player base by pushing non-optimal openers to the eyes that may use them without knowing any better.

    Also as a side note, does BRD not use Sidewinder in your opener at all or am I missing something? That's a free 300 potency you get every 60s. Seems like a bit of a waste not to be using it.

    I admire your dedication and passion to put a lot of work into something you very clearly care deeply for (it's something I admittedly struggle with), but enough is enough. These are at least far better than they were the first time you tried this, but they're still not optimal or very practical to use. Facts are facts, and it is a fact that these openers are not optimal.
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    Oxdarock's Avatar
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    Roxanne Stoner
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    Midgardsormr
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    Pugilist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by EONX_ View Post
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    Well yeah, if it was that easy, it wouldn't have taken me so long to get to this point. Didn't think anyone would have an issue with the BRD opener since it still fills the requirements of both RS and BV fitting within WM. Still, your point in how it can use its buffs immediately is similar to the GNB example I use. Both can use their buffs and burst really early, but opt to line up with the party and other raid buffs.

    I wholeheartedly believe in the concept I've been running with and the math that backs it up. I just had too much faith that people would be willing to put in time to try it out themselves. So, thanks to the recent analogy somehow clicking in my head, I'll be making a doc and sheets that put all my logic and reasoning to bare one-by-one over the coming months. If it somehow still gets proven suboptimal, then I'll have no choice but to give up the ghost (mind you, if it is proven, it'll have to make it's way to me somehow since the only counter-arguments that have reached me were via these OF threads and all of them have fallen short of the mark).

    As for the BRD opener missing Sidewinder... Whoops, lol! Thank you for pointing that out. It's a silly mistake and I'm surprised no one has pointed it out for so long. I'll be sure to update it in the future, but as a quick fix, it should be used before the 2nd Bloodletter. Sorry about that. ^^;
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