FF 5.X Alternative Raid Buff Alignment and Openers

[Vendalwind]

You also make blatantly poor choices.

The primary issue with your nin opener for example is the pot. You insist on intentionally full clipping post suiton to get it off so our trick comes out at 15, but this causes problems because not only have you lost us half a gcd, but youve potted in such a way that the pot misses some stronger moves at the end. That pot cut costs us about 150 potency.
(Starts at .7 lasts 1.2 and cant be qued so latency adds its about 1/3rd gcd loss)
The extra bhava you 'might' get in trick gives 15 extra potency, but you lose 7.5 from not gettin aeolian in trick for sure AND you overcap raiton no matter what you do which is another loss of at least 100 potency (you overcap it by at least 2.5 seconds even after you changed it based on my last few posts)

Additionally performing the trick attack at 15 seconds forces trick to catch weaker gcds. Which is another potency loss.

Plus what everyone else is already saying. Delaying further is not optimal. It means that later rotational mess ups may cost a player more if anything.

This isnt even mentioning the doton ticks lost as well. Which btw i confirmed are effected by trick

[Vendalwind]

That additionally i meant on later tricks. Which is true.

[Oxdarock]

You also make blatantly poor choices.

The primary issue with your nin opener for example is the pot. You insist on intentionally full clipping post suiton to get it off so our trick comes out at 15, but this causes problems because not only have you lost us half a gcd, but youve potted in such a way that the pot misses some stronger moves at the end. That pot cut costs us about 150 potency.
(Starts at .7 lasts 1.2 and cant be qued so latency adds its about 1/3rd gcd loss)
The extra bhava you 'might' get in trick gives 15 extra potency, but you lose 7.5 from not gettin aeolian in trick for sure AND you overcap raiton no matter what you do which is another loss of at least 100 potency (you overcap it by at least 2.5 seconds even after you changed it based on my last few posts)

Additionally performing the trick attack at 15 seconds forces trick to catch weaker gcds. Which is another potency loss.

Plus what everyone else is already saying. Delaying further is not optimal. It means that later rotational mess ups may cost a player more if anything.

This isnt even mentioning the doton ticks lost as well. Which btw i confirmed are effected by trick

As you said, if you get Aeo in TA it's 7.5 potency gain, but since TA is a raid buff, you then have to see how that affects other classes and if even it generates losses greater than the gain for NIN, it's a loss overall (unless you're intention is maximum NIN potency, in which case, go for it.)

As for these very particular potency losses based on clipping and over-capping by 1 GCD (I'm not even sure how this is calculated since it really depends on whether that 2.5 GCD costs you a mudra use or not), while that might be very bad in a simulator, you have to remember that Critical and Direct hits do exist. If you get a lucky crit on a high potency move, very frequent direct hits, or any combinations of these over the course of a fight, that loss in potency is very minor. And again, unless person NIN dps is the goal, you then have to look at how it affects the other classes in the party. If clipping the pot allows TA to line up better with other classes' rotation, the gain can collectively make up for that 150 potency loss (which again, I fundamentally don't understand how people can calculate that or why it would be considered a gamebreaker since I only suggest doing so once.)

[ZyrinMisharuji]

But to answer your point, and this is mostly my feelings on it, for openers: The earlier you can do them without screwing people out of DPS means that you can push all of your damage out before you have to deal with mechanics. For something like DRG which has the most animation locks of any job, if it delays its buffs then tries to fit everything under those same buffs it may end up ani locking itself during a mechanic and get hit by something (for e2s do you know how feels bad it would be to use High Jump or something and get snapshotted by the adds and get damage down plus a vuln? Just because you were pressured to press them later than what is optimal so you could catch them under buffs, not worth it man). Again, that's just how I feel about it. The earlier you get through your burst, the more you can focus on mechanics. Additionally, the earlier you can use your buffs later in the fight. Your suggestion requires people to not only clear fights, but to also be completely BiS and have a set group that will never change so your kill times are more or less always the same, which just isn't true for people without a static and even people with a static, most people that care about rotational optimization and numbers will try to kill bosses faster and faster every time they do them, so your delayed alignment potentially loses uses far moreso than using them as Balance suggests, which is the earliest possible without screwing everyone else out of DPS.

[Mansion]

I'm not a theorycraft whiz kid, I trust the Balance for that quite well. But what my normie eyes did notice is that some (maybe all but I'm not sure) encounters have "mechanics downtime" that fit perfectly with the CD reset of most buffs.
Like in O10S and its goddamn dives, yet it allowed a big burst during the Arcane Bulwark thingy where there isn't much to do (tanking, healing and mechanics wise) because most CDs would reset at that time. I kind of remember that on Chaos too.

So my point is that if you delay buffs in openers, you might hit a buff CD reset in the middle of a mechanic that's not so burst friendly. That's why "the sooner the better" is a good practice I think.

[Renkei]

The Arguments in this Are really stupid, there are plenty of Mods in the balance discord that spread misinformation, if anything they banned this person because they feel threatened by his ability and his passion for at least trying to make guides , if anything at least he delivers some type of content disregarding that the content might not be completely sound that shouldn't lead to a ban of any sort from any community, i personally find the balance discord community to be one of the biggest spreaders of misinformation as well there's a majority of mods in that discord, they have rules against it, but don't prevent their own staff from doing it and selectively choose to disregard any and most accusations against their moderation. the discord was made for selfish purposes not to benefit the community.

Keep making guides OP; Regardless if you get flak from the majority of the Balance community the majority of them parse far lower then their egos suggest.
you have a lot of different openers there's a couple that aren't entirely optimal; but you did include information in your guide.

If anything this community is afraid of you because you spend a good amount of time making that guide and putting your effort to it, far better then their guides located on their website.

[Shalfu]

Forum rules:

- Posting aimed to create a negative impact on the community or its members.

This wasnt a thread to discuss these openers but to spread missinformation to feed the OP Tornado Kick nostalgia, which is against the forum rules.
Thanks to the people that corrected these bad openers.

[Renkei]

Forum rules:

- Posting aimed to create a negative impact on the community or its members.

This wasnt a thread to discuss these openers but to spread missinformation to feed the OP Tornado Kick nostalgia, which is against the forum rules.
Thanks to the people that corrected these bad openers.

Okay? That's not your scope bro to even say that or even come to that conclusion, The Community Members of that Discord are coming in here and attacking someone who has nothing to do with it. This isn't a post aimed to creatrive negative impact on the community or its members you guys are posting only targeting the op showing how crappy of a community you guys really are.

[Shalfu]

Okay? That's not your scope bro to even say that or even come to that conclusion, The Community Members of that Discord are coming in here and attacking someone who has nothing to do with it. This isn't a post aimed to creatrive negative impact on the community or its members you guys are posting only targeting the op showing how crappy of a community you guys really are.

OP admitted that everything OP created was to cater that TK opener, which wasn't even a gain in the first place not even under all raid buffs. This has been proven to OP multiple times with different people on private messages and other channels. With math backing up the pointers. So continuing to spread things OP, for sure at this point, knows that its incorrect, its only harmful for the community and would only cause a negative impact to its members.

OP claims to have used the tools provided by experts in each job, everyone of these experts have proved OP wrong. I don't know whats the deal with naming them in the OP post when they are telling OP that OP is wrong.

I won't be the one to tell you how to play the game. But I won't let OP misslead the community either.

[HyoMinPark]

Okay? That's not your scope bro to even say that or even come to that conclusion, The Community Members of that Discord are coming in here and attacking someone who has nothing to do with it. This isn't a post aimed to creatrive negative impact on the community or its members you guys are posting only targeting the op showing how crappy of a community you guys really are.

The OP used to be a member of the Balance (a community that he brings into the conversation through his guide), and he was told repeatedly that what he is advertising in his documents is not optimal. The document is misleading at best, presenting these openers as an option for optimal play where there are no options for optimal play when it comes to openers and buff alignment in the opener. The majority of this thread is people trying to correct him and explain to him why these are not as great as he thinks they are. Spreading misinformation is pretty crappy, in my opinion; as is attempting to theorycraft for jobs that one has very little understanding of.