Why do you want an Auction House? (discussion)[dev1019]

[Armageddon]

At first Market ward simply sucks
At the moment I can go without an HA.

But two thinks need to be adress.

1. Market crash
2. at the moment we allowed 2 retainer. What will hapen when will be allowed 3-4-10 retainer?
Imagine 5-6+ times the retainer midle ward at the current state

Metting with a friend for exchange in a middle ward, it takes 5min before we can see each other so we can trade.
Imagine later with more retainer at the current state.

[Ciden]

At first Market ward simply sucks
At the moment I can go without an HA.

But two thinks need to be adress.

1. Market crash
2. at the moment we allowed 2 retainer. What will hapen when will be allowed 3-4-10 retainer?
Imagine 5-6+ times the retainer midle ward at the current state

Metting with a friend for exchange in a middle ward, it takes 5min before we can see each other so we can trade.
Imagine later with more retainer at the current state.

Hey fellow Wutaian! Good point. I was thinking what if this game had a huge player base. I didn't account for the possibility of them eventually doling out more retainers. The situation in these wards could get totally out of hand if these things happen. The square-wheeled cart in front of the horse is what these wards are.

[Anty]

Buying and selling to me should be something i can do fast, and it has to be simple. The MW are not. I dont want a "i go shopping rpg". And to the crafters (i do craft as well) who complain about dropping prizes:
Produce what is needed then you will have less problems with the prizes in the long run. Too many ppl are overproducing and wonder why prizes drop... And ppl undercut in the MW as well, ppl checking YG and similar sites for average prices. You have the AH online already. And i bet many ppl defending the MW using it too.

RMT are there anyways, no matter if AH or MW. So they will always destroy a certain part of the game economy, one cant do much about it. But its no use to have something for sale if too many ppl are just not willing to put so much time into just checking prizes. they will just craft the items themselves or not bother playing - which is what is happening a lot, and the AH is a bigger issue then most MW defenders think. FFXIV due to the fact that theres not much to do but crafting, already has a majority of sellers lol. Not that many buyers. So unless we get tons of new players who are not that crafting oriented and more content worth spending the time on, there wont be heaven for sellers anyways, no matter if its with an AH or MW.

And i really dont know where "the market wards are working just fine" is coming from. Crashes, slow loading NPCS (that vanish if you go a few more steps since the engine cant even handle a full tiny MW room completely- no its not my pc -),
and there is no nice feeling of "goin to a market" where you buy from npc shops. The MW are either empty or so crowded that its not even close to a role-playing shopping experience. Its not looking nice, theres no atmosphere.

If marketwards were like huge areas with different shops, and a mix of npc and retainers (who actually set up tents and such) with the typical market wards sounds, and noises... perhaps some musicians or quest npcs mixed in, well that would at least be a nice experience imho.
But sadly its far from that and will never be like it. Im all for nice RP-elements if they are well thought through and add a lot to the atmosphere and the depth of a game.
Actually i would love to have big market areas in every city where its just fun to walk through, watch scenery, see crafters, sellers, npcs, npc children running around, perhaps npcs with variable prizes as well...

But im not sure why the current system is defended at all. It IS a broken AH. just that you "go into the AH- counter" and realize there is just too much that is not working...

If it worked, the few ppl still playing wouldnt stand around all day long bazaaring still.

We already have the bazaar function. AH + bazaar ... that at least works. B
azaar + instanced bazaar on retainers... with a clunky search feature and crashes = no thanks.

its funny that some ppl still think that the retainers are an invention. Its the bazaar feature in an instanced box. With some kind of broken AH interface implemented on top of them.
Its sad but true. A lot of things in FFXIV are not new, or are innovative. They just look different (sometimes) and well... often don't work well or not at all.

[Kaedan]

So again I ask: How is picking up your item in a ward any different than picking up your item at a mail box?

Of course, they won't answer because the ones who actually have the ability to think realize there's no difference and the ones that don't will just troll or go off topic.

[Kimowar]

So again I ask: How is picking up your item in a ward any different than picking up your item at a mail box?

Of course, they won't answer because the ones who actually have the ability to think realize there's no difference and the ones that don't will just troll or go off topic.

do you mean mailboxes conviently located all around towns, usually one close to an AH compared to sifting through mw trying to find the item thats in the wrong mw because the sellar had more then one type of item for sale?

[Kaedan]

do you mean mailboxes conviently located all around towns, usually one close to an AH compared to sifting through mw trying to find the item thats in the wrong mw because the sellar had more then one type of item for sale?

lol

Try commenting after you've played the game since the MW updates. The search function tells you exactly what ward your item is in and it puts a star above the head of the person selling it.

Jesus, I hate trolls that don't even play anymore that make smart-*** comments. Though, I did call it. ^_^

[Point_Zero]

I think the system right now is really good, just a couple upgrades and we should be there.

[Kimowar]

lol

Try commenting after you've played the game since the MW updates. The search function tells you exactly what ward your item is in and it puts a star above the head of the person selling it.

Jesus, I hate trolls that don't even play anymore that make smart-*** comments. Though, I did call it. ^_^

I have played since mw were updated, even with the search you have to run through differnt mw's looking for the star, and the only one I see trolling is you, trying to convince others to also be afraid of change, also I still play and will continue to do so, even if some changes are not 100 percent to my liking, I answered a question about whats the differnce between going to a mw and getting item from the mail,

[Kaedan]

I have played since mw were updated, even with the search you have to run through differnt mw's looking for the star, and the only one I see trolling is you, trying to convince others to also be afraid of change, also I still play and will continue to do so, even if some changes are not 100 percent to my liking, I answered a question about whats the differnce between going to a mw and getting item from the mail,

But you're wrong, which is why I assumed you don't play (and I still think so).

You do not have to run through different MW looking for the star.

1.) Search item
2.) Get list of who is selling the item in which ward, for what price.
3.) Enter the ward for the person you want to buy from
4.) Pick up your item.

Absolutely no difference from purchasing the item from AH and then having to run to a mailbox to pick it up. Even takes about the same amount of time.


Turns out I was right about them trying to take it off topic too. lol

[MysaZages]

The only benefit I see for an AH is the server space saved for other aspects of the game. The market ward with the new upgraded menu works the same way. And since the retainers can model stuff, something will catch an eye or there are people who like to shop and will browse surrounding retainers.