Now before you overreact

[wereotter]

The thing is the datamined items are probably not representative of everything that will be opened up. The fact they were datamined and not in the game yet is probably because they are not finished yet. Like, I don't think they'd free the maid suit for men while keeping the coveted butler outfit barred from women. Opening up some of the MogStation outfits will be rather lucrative and I don't think they'll pass that up.

That's a fair point. I'll keep my fingers crossed for unlocks to other female options. As is most of these aren't options I'm terribly keen on wearing, but never know how they might pan out with more unlocks. The couple options I mentioned are ones I'd really look forward to seeing.

[Sated]

the maid suit for men

My credit card is ready.

[Esmoire]

My credit card is ready.

ikr! It's looking to be great! Will definitely outfit some of my squaddies and retainers, and my own character if I play male again.

[Melichoir]

While this doesn't so much apply to FFXIV as most male PC models are sexualized, in real life, there do happen to be men with a feminine figure, and women with a masculine figure. It's not that black and white.

Yes, but there is an unfortunate habit that some small groups of people tend to take sub sets and use it as a representation of all or hold them up as an example to complete disprove a point rather than addressing the nuance.

There are averages for a reason, and the average male and average female have broad characteristics that are different from one another (Hip/waist ratios, hip heights/widths, leg lengths, shoulder and back widths, facial structure differences, height, weight distribution, muscle and bone mass and density, etc). And these characteristics are not inherently sexual. While you may have more effeminate males or masculine females, this grouping doesnt make up the majority or near majority as the distribution of body types is not linear, but a bell curve. While there is nuance and that there are some men and women who would benefit from clothing typically tailored to the opposite sex, it is not in such numbers that would really dispute my point.

As I said, most people do not understand that some clothes are designed to accentuate features on typical males or females and that when applied to the opposite sex, it does not work as well. If people want to dress in a certain manner of clothes that are tailored for the opposite sex, more power to em. Ive no problem with that, but it's fair to point out that its not going to look as flattering on a certain sex if its not designed for it. Case and point, 2Bs outfit on Hrothgar or Roe does not look great, but if people want it, cool. All of the clothing should be wearable by both sexes in the game, regardless if it looks bad to do so or not. More power to the individual and more options for people.

And to reiterate, the only issue Ill end up having is if they start designing all glamours and outfits as gender neutral - a design thought process that almost always ends up removing feminine accentuations from the designs and favoring a masculine type and build.

[wereotter]

As I said, most people do not understand that some clothes are designed to accentuate features on typical males or females and that when applied to the opposite sex, it does not work as well. If people want to dress in a certain manner of clothes that are tailored for the opposite sex, more power to em. Ive no problem with that, but it's fair to point out that its not going to look as flattering on a certain sex if its not designed for it. Case and point, 2Bs outfit on Hrothgar or Roe does not look great, but if people want it, cool. All of the clothing should be wearable by both sexes in the game, regardless if it looks bad to do so or not. More power to the individual and more options for people.

I remember this was an issue in Heavensward with the primal gear sets.... everything with high heels and boob windows even on male character models...

[Melichoir]

I remember this was an issue in Heavensward with the primal gear sets.... everything with high heels and boob windows even on male character models...

It does cut in reverse at times. Though heals is more a gothic aristocracy feel which, I think, was what they were aiming for.

IMO for better or worse, FFXIV does a decent job at creating a diverse set of glamours that go both ways. It's not perfect, but I cant fault the devs for trying and improving. Not everything is a winner but thats ok IMO. Win a few, lose a few, do better overtime.

[wereotter]

It does cut in reverse at times. Though heals is more a gothic aristocracy feel which, I think, was what they were aiming for.

IMO for better or worse, FFXIV does a decent job at creating a diverse set of glamours that go both ways. It's not perfect, but I cant fault the devs for trying and improving. Not everything is a winner but thats ok IMO. Win a few, lose a few, do better overtime.

We might be thinking of different sets.... the one I'm referring to was VERY feminine and not at all gothic aristocracy

[WhiteArchmage]

I am thrilled. As a gender non binary person I can finally be myself.

As another non-binary individual I'm also thrilled. Shame the High House Justaucorps isn't on the list YET, It's probably the one piece I've been wanting on my Viera for the longest, it just looks so dapper <3

[Theodric]

I still hope that this doesn't lead to the development team priortising feminine and androgynous aesthetics just because it ends up being 'easier' than designing a broad variety of options to account for different tastes. I also hope it isn't delaying the implementation of the highly requested stubble that is being shown in promotional imagery. It's made further frustrating by the simple fact that many of those requesting the gender locks to be removed do not even play a male character themselves. To say nothing of the track record of requests for masculine versions of things like the bunny suit being hijacked by those who want a straight up copy of the female attire instead of something better fitting for the male physique.

[Lauront]

Unfortunately the resources are already spent on this no going back or it would be a true waste of resources since it wouldn't benefit anyone at that point. This removing of genderlock gear has been requested as much as new customization for characters, i think the only difference between the two requests is how aware the devs are on the demand as bare in mind Yoshi P was shocked so many people wanted the WoL stubble from the trailer(something none of us would really be shocked by since we know how requested it is in the community).

Do you really think the desire to remove genderlocked items is even remotely comparable to the desire for enhanced character customisation? I'll go a step further: which of those two would players actually make use of in a way that enhances the game's longevity and profitability?

I would not call current Viera/Hrothgar in a finished state but this is not a true waste of resources, some people will be happy with these, some won't care, but because some would want these it is not a waste only to your own perception they are seen as a waste, an example of a true waste of resources would be Battle Diadem since it is gone.

Oh, it's not Viera or Hrothgar I'm calling the waste of resources. One has to wonder if they're doing this as a gesture to attenuate some of the (undeserved) PR they got over not adding mViera or fHrothgar, to the effect that they were "homophobic" or "sexist".

Yes, but there is an unfortunate habit that some small groups of people tend to take sub sets and use it as a representation of all or hold them up as an example to complete disprove a point rather than addressing the nuance.

There are averages for a reason, and the average male and average female have broad characteristics that are different from one another (Hip/waist ratios, hip heights/widths, leg lengths, shoulder and back widths, facial structure differences, height, weight distribution, muscle and bone mass and density, etc). And these characteristics are not inherently sexual. While you may have more effeminate males or masculine females, this grouping doesnt make up the majority or near majority as the distribution of body types is not linear, but a bell curve. While there is nuance and that there are some men and women who would benefit from clothing typically tailored to the opposite sex, it is not in such numbers that would really dispute my point.

As I said, most people do not understand that some clothes are designed to accentuate features on typical males or females and that when applied to the opposite sex, it does not work as well. If people want to dress in a certain manner of clothes that are tailored for the opposite sex, more power to em. Ive no problem with that, but it's fair to point out that its not going to look as flattering on a certain sex if its not designed for it. Case and point, 2Bs outfit on Hrothgar or Roe does not look great, but if people want it, cool. All of the clothing should be wearable by both sexes in the game, regardless if it looks bad to do so or not. More power to the individual and more options for people.

And to reiterate, the only issue Ill end up having is if they start designing all glamours and outfits as gender neutral - a design thought process that almost always ends up removing feminine accentuations from the designs and favoring a masculine type and build.

That's really my main concern about it, aside from the cost of going back and doing this for legacy gear. I'm not too bothered if they want to do it for future sets, provided that they don't begin creating gender-neutral sets as a rule to cut costs because of this issue. Also, good points regarding the "fit" of the gear.