Now before you overreact

[AnimaAnimus]

How are you forced to cross dress?.

Well if they went with nothing but gender neutral options, let's look at the new Yorha gear I already mentioned. They would have to make 2 variations of each, a male and a female, which means 1 of 2 variations would drop, or they would have to double the amount of drops so that 1 of each would drop and we know they are not gonna do that. So unless you were really steadfast about running a dungeon you would be forced to take the variation you do not want just to have gear so you can do higher level raids, forcing me into a small dress unless I wanted to glam over it, which I may not want to do because I like the male version aesthetic. This also applies after the raid is outdated and I am just running it for glam. I have the piece of gear I need just not the gender I want, which is...no.

Anything that drops and is rolled on, needs to be locked out of this system otherwise you are making it doubly hard to get a piece you want/need for no other reason than to just please a few ppl who feel everyone should be ok with doing twice the work just to appease their own wants and needs.

Like I said, if you want to make crafted options or options purchased with tomes or mgp, that's fine, even if it would make our menus obnoxiously long. But forcing all gear into this system would be incredibly silly. Like I said, you should still have options, but I shouldn't be forced into it if I don't want to be. Wanting to dress my male character in a masculine way does not make me a bad person just like wanting to dress your male character in a feminine way doesn't make you a bad person. Putting pressure on a mutli-national company to conform to what you want because you have some misguided notion of what you feel is the only way or because you want to appear woke, however, does...on either side.

Having options is what's important, taking options away, however, is what is wrong with this system.

[Saefinn]

That's fine and dandy but for those of us who don't want to run around in drag we should have the option not too. I was cringing at the thought of not being able to wear the Yorha gear without glaming over it because they were going to put my giant masculine Hrothgar frame into a little dress designed for a petite woman.

If you want to do drag, that's fine, you do you. But let me do me too. Some outfits just do not look right on men or women because the shape of the body is completely different so forcing male frames into female attire and vice versa should not be the go to. If you want options, that's fine, but since the minority of ppl would want to cross dress it shouldn't be forced on the majority so they can wokewash the game and appease a handful of players.

And you do you. I'm not stopping you. I'm just happy they're releasing a few non-genderlocked versions of existing outfits. Just like anybody who is happy they're releasing glamours they like and want to use.

With regards to the YoRHa gear, to be frank, there's a lot of gear out there that isn't aesthetically pleasing for all character models or aesthetically pleasing at all, though of course I realise that's subjective (and is kinda the point), but other people like gear I think is ugly and they use it as their glamour, which is absolutely fine. When I see gear I don't think looks good on my character or don't like at all or doesn't appeal to me then I glamour over it.

A lot of raid gear has looked terrible to me. But that's absolutely fine because different gearsets appeal to different people's tastes and arguably that's why there's variety. Some items may appeal to a minority, but it's all just a hit and miss. Removing genderlocks on gear just makes that gear more accessible to people who want it.

And it takes tremendous resources to reshape outfits to the various body types, so if they only do a handful and put much needed resources elsewhere, that's completely fine with me.

Whilst I think spending and priority of resources is a fairer argument, it is also a question of the type of resource, their workflow and how easy or difficult it is to implement. On existing outfits all of the media is already there and most of the work is already done. How easy it is to implement will depend on the complexity of their workflow.

Though SE is probably the only one to be able to give the true insight here. But if I am to draw comparison to the dev environment I work in, sometimes we get given low priority tasks we can work on in between jobs or when we have 5 or 10 minutes free, but to prioritise all other work over it. So I think it is plausible they could do the same, which was kinda the impression I got when YoshiP talked about the team working in some headgear for Viera and Hrothgar when he said they didn't have the resource to.

But with regards to the gear drops. Who knows in the next YoRHa raid the outfit drop might be 9S. They still have 2 more raids to stretch themed outfits over.

[DamianFatale]

I'm not thrilled. I'd rather see the resources spent on making new facial hair options for male characters as well as new tattoo and scar options for male and female characters. Both of which have been requested many times over the years on this board and elsewhere, so it's disappointing that they're diverting previous resources towards something like this instead.

It's made particularly disappointing by Blizzard's recent announcement of a major overhaul of the character customisation of every playable race. It's time for FFXIV to do more on that front.

I am thrilled. As a gender non binary person I can finally be myself.

[Crushnight]

Well if they went with nothing but gender neutral options, let's look at the new Yorha gear I already mentioned. They would have to make 2 variations of each, a male and a female, which means 1 of 2 variations would drop, or they would have to double the amount of drops so that 1 of each would drop and we know they are not gonna do that. So unless you were really steadfast about running a dungeon you would be forced to take the variation you do not want just to have gear so you can do higher level raids, forcing me into a small dress unless I wanted to glam over it, which I may not want to do because I like the male version aesthetic. This also applies after the raid is outdated and I am just running it for glam. I have the piece of gear I need just not the gender I want, which is...no.

Anything that drops and is rolled on, needs to be locked out of this system otherwise you are making it doubly hard to get a piece you want/need for no other reason than to just please a few ppl who feel everyone should be ok with doing twice the work just to appease their own wants and needs.

Like I said, if you want to make crafted options or options purchased with tomes or mgp, that's fine, even if it would make our menus obnoxiously long. But forcing all gear into this system would be incredibly silly. Like I said, you should still have options, but I shouldn't be forced into it if I don't want to be. Wanting to dress my male character in a masculine way does not make me a bad person just like wanting to dress your male character in a feminine way doesn't make you a bad person. Putting pressure on a mutli-national company to conform to what you want because you have some misguided notion of what you feel is the only way or because you want to appear woke, however, does...on either side.

Having options is what's important, taking options away, however, is what is wrong with this system.

I'm sorry what? other than the ilv1 glam gear, all gear in the new Yorha raid has 2 different looks one for females which make them look closer to 2B and 9S inspired for males (i'm currently wearing the aiming trench coat), its not hyper masculine but it is masculine(heck the aiming coat as black looks like Neo's from the Matrix). So if they are too close to drag to you there is a system in place, you unlock it at lv 15, called glamour, so long as that is in place HOW ARE YOU FORCED TO CROSS DRESS?! answer your not anything that is not up to your taste you can change on a whim at your whim to something else in game that suits you.

The fact you brought up woke culture twice makes me feel you are taking this way too personally, it isn't anything of the sort, people have requested these outfits since they came out to be unlocked for both genders so they could have more options, the devs listened yay \o/ they didn't have to but they did, the resources are already spent. Lastly i do not want people to put pressure on anybody to do things a certain way it does nothing but start to breed resentment to things these outfits were just requested by a portion of the community the fact the devs listened and are sorting it out is proof asking for something helps (see also primal totems, gear/housing design contests) so if they are not catering to your needs try asking for more it may get sorted you never know

[Saefinn]

I'm sorry what? other than the ilv1 glam gear, all gear in the new Yorha raid has 2 different looks one for females which make them look closer to 2B and 9S inspired for males (i'm currently wearing the aiming trench coat), its not hyper masculine but it is masculine(heck the aiming coat as black looks like Neo's from the Matrix). So if they are too close to drag to you there is a system in place, you unlock it at lv 15, called glamour, so long as that is in place HOW ARE YOU FORCED TO CROSS DRESS?! answer your not anything that is not up to your taste you can change on a whim at your whim to something else in game that suits you.

The fact you brought up woke culture twice makes me feel you are taking this way too personally, it isn't anything of the sort, people have requested these outfits since they came out to be unlocked for both genders so they could have more options, the devs listened yay \o/ they didn't have to but they did, the resources are already spent. Lastly i do not want people to put pressure on anybody to do things a certain way it does nothing but start to breed resentment to things these outfits were just requested by a portion of the community the fact the devs listened and are sorting it out is proof asking for something helps (see also primal totems, gear/housing design contests) so if they are not catering to your needs try asking for more it may get sorted you never know

Then I should prolly add, I'm not really a part of the woke culture, the whole prententiousness it carries is a turn off. But this isn't something that's restricted to woke culture. Like "woke culture" has what, only come out in the last few years?

[Rokke]

We haven't gotten a whole lot of flowy stuff for DNC so far so I am READY for that thav set

[Anienai]

I want a C Viper glamour for my Fem Roe.

[ColorOfSakura]

Well if they went with nothing but gender neutral options, let's look at the new Yorha gear I already mentioned. They would have to make 2 variations of each, a male and a female, which means 1 of 2 variations would drop, or they would have to double the amount of drops so that 1 of each would drop and we know they are not gonna do that. So unless you were really steadfast about running a dungeon you would be forced to take the variation you do not want just to have gear so you can do higher level raids, forcing me into a small dress unless I wanted to glam over it, which I may not want to do because I like the male version aesthetic. This also applies after the raid is outdated and I am just running it for glam. I have the piece of gear I need just not the gender I want, which is...no.

What are you talking about -- all of the YoRHa gear is gender unique. On males the outfits are pants and coats similar to 9S, on females the outfits are dresses and stockings similar to 2B.

The *only* outfit that is unisex is the actual special 2B outfit coffer, and that's because people wanted it that way, and there is *likely going to be a 9S coffer with the second raid*. That way female characters have access to his outfit.

[DiscoDuck]

Yes! the maid outfit will be unisex! Now I can cosplay as Goth Lolita Ladybeard!



Just need to have the Valentions leggings and shoes be unisex to complete the set.

[Tsalmaveth]

Watching a few dudes in this thread freaking out because people actually have options is beautiful. OTHER PEOPLE being allowed to dress the way THEY WANT and you being hyper-sensitive about it like it is somehow an attack in YOU is delicious. In a VIDEO GAME, no less.

Get. Over. Yourselves.

If your masculinity is that fragile? LOL. Oops? It is not the problem of the people who get to utilize the new options and it is not the problem of YoshiP and the developers who are now reaching out and providing those options. It is YOUR problem and you are the ones who need to step away and address it. Don't throw it in everyone's face like we need to deal with it. We don't. You just go on about your merry way, wear what you want to wear, and let other people do the same. Deal with it because that is how life works.

The only issue I have right now is that I want the butler outfit for ladies. Excuse me, but hello? If the men get access to the maid outfit... I want the butler set. Thank you. :3 Chef-kiss it's about time. I'm glad more options are opening up. The Expeditioner Men's coat for ladies is something right up my alley for glim-glams in the future. The future is bright for people who want options and enjoy things with other people. Cheers!