Now before you overreact

[AnimaAnimus]

And hey, as a role player, I took some inspiration from Captain Shakespeare in writing a Pirate Captain who sometimes will appear in drag, the options for dressing to that effect have been poor and I've had to try and be smart to pull off stuff that looks right. I realise some will find the concept 'weird', but I see nothing wrong with drag, even before there were any kind of gender issues attached to it, it has has been a long existing form of entertainment. And hey we weirdo roleplayers still make up a portion of the player base..

That's fine and dandy but for those of us who don't want to run around in drag we should have the option not too. I was cringing at the thought of not being able to wear the Yorha gear without glaming over it because they were going to put my giant masculine Hrothgar frame into a little dress designed for a petite woman.

If you want to do drag, that's fine, you do you. But let me do me too. Some outfits just do not look right on men or women because the shape of the body is completely different so forcing male frames into female attire and vice versa should not be the go to. If you want options, that's fine, but since the minority of ppl would want to cross dress it shouldn't be forced on the majority so they can wokewash the game and appease a handful of players.

And it takes tremendous resources to reshape outfits to the various body types, so if they only do a handful and put much needed resources elsewhere, that's completely fine with me. Cause they would literally have to create 2 outfits for each sex and then reshape each of them twice the amount they do now, when they could give us a new dungeon or fight or w/e else with those same resources, which is frankly much more important to the overall health of the game.

[Crushnight]

That's fine and dandy but for those of us who don't want to run around in drag we should have the option not too. I was cringing at the thought of not being able to wear the Yorha gear without glaming over it because they were going to put my giant masculine Hrothgar frame into a little dress designed for a petite woman.

Erm hate to break it to you but you have been able to have many many options for years to not look like your in drag, in fact those who wanted female looking outfits have been incredibly sparce in the game, robes and stuff on casters/healers guess what during the rough time period Eorzea is based on men wore a lot of robes more than women did as it was a symbol of status. So all this is just giving those that want to be in drag more options you already have far far more options to not be.

If you want to do drag, that's fine, you do you. But let me do me too. Some outfits just do not look right on men or women because the shape of the body is completely different so forcing male frames into female attire and vice versa should not be the go to. If you want options, that's fine, but since the minority of ppl would want to cross dress it shouldn't be forced on the majority so they can wokewash the game and appease a handful of players.

Correct some do not suit a masculine frame just like some don't suit a feminine frame but there is a thing called glamour look it up may help and again most outfits are designed properly with the odd one standing out(Shiva set, Genji set etc) , and lastly the very big key question you need to answer, How are you forced to cross dress?

And it takes tremendous resources to reshape outfits to the various body types, so if they only do a handful and put much needed resources elsewhere, that's completely fine with me. Cause they would literally have to create 2 outfits for each sex and then reshape each of them twice the amount they do now, when they could give us a new dungeon or fight or w/e else with those same resources, which is frankly much more important to the overall health of the game.

Now a proper point, these did take resources from something else but what none of us save the dev team can truly answer, but if i had to guess it would be they decided to do this over fitting old headgear on Viera/Hrothgar was this a good call no idea Viera/Hrothgar could certainly use the love but this has a bigger net due to effecting every race not just 2. I doubt would take from dungeon/fight design as dungeons apparently go to their newer battle people while trials/raids/ultimates go to the more senior members and this would be vastly different skillset to encounter design as a whole. One last potential this could've been done on their own time for all we know they've made no official call on these outfits as bare in mind they are just data atm not unlocked to the public.

[AnimaAnimus]

How are you forced to cross dress?.

Well if they went with nothing but gender neutral options, let's look at the new Yorha gear I already mentioned. They would have to make 2 variations of each, a male and a female, which means 1 of 2 variations would drop, or they would have to double the amount of drops so that 1 of each would drop and we know they are not gonna do that. So unless you were really steadfast about running a dungeon you would be forced to take the variation you do not want just to have gear so you can do higher level raids, forcing me into a small dress unless I wanted to glam over it, which I may not want to do because I like the male version aesthetic. This also applies after the raid is outdated and I am just running it for glam. I have the piece of gear I need just not the gender I want, which is...no.

Anything that drops and is rolled on, needs to be locked out of this system otherwise you are making it doubly hard to get a piece you want/need for no other reason than to just please a few ppl who feel everyone should be ok with doing twice the work just to appease their own wants and needs.

Like I said, if you want to make crafted options or options purchased with tomes or mgp, that's fine, even if it would make our menus obnoxiously long. But forcing all gear into this system would be incredibly silly. Like I said, you should still have options, but I shouldn't be forced into it if I don't want to be. Wanting to dress my male character in a masculine way does not make me a bad person just like wanting to dress your male character in a feminine way doesn't make you a bad person. Putting pressure on a mutli-national company to conform to what you want because you have some misguided notion of what you feel is the only way or because you want to appear woke, however, does...on either side.

Having options is what's important, taking options away, however, is what is wrong with this system.

[ColorOfSakura]

Well if they went with nothing but gender neutral options, let's look at the new Yorha gear I already mentioned. They would have to make 2 variations of each, a male and a female, which means 1 of 2 variations would drop, or they would have to double the amount of drops so that 1 of each would drop and we know they are not gonna do that. So unless you were really steadfast about running a dungeon you would be forced to take the variation you do not want just to have gear so you can do higher level raids, forcing me into a small dress unless I wanted to glam over it, which I may not want to do because I like the male version aesthetic. This also applies after the raid is outdated and I am just running it for glam. I have the piece of gear I need just not the gender I want, which is...no.

What are you talking about -- all of the YoRHa gear is gender unique. On males the outfits are pants and coats similar to 9S, on females the outfits are dresses and stockings similar to 2B.

The *only* outfit that is unisex is the actual special 2B outfit coffer, and that's because people wanted it that way, and there is *likely going to be a 9S coffer with the second raid*. That way female characters have access to his outfit.

[Saefinn]

That's fine and dandy but for those of us who don't want to run around in drag we should have the option not too. I was cringing at the thought of not being able to wear the Yorha gear without glaming over it because they were going to put my giant masculine Hrothgar frame into a little dress designed for a petite woman.

If you want to do drag, that's fine, you do you. But let me do me too. Some outfits just do not look right on men or women because the shape of the body is completely different so forcing male frames into female attire and vice versa should not be the go to. If you want options, that's fine, but since the minority of ppl would want to cross dress it shouldn't be forced on the majority so they can wokewash the game and appease a handful of players.

And you do you. I'm not stopping you. I'm just happy they're releasing a few non-genderlocked versions of existing outfits. Just like anybody who is happy they're releasing glamours they like and want to use.

With regards to the YoRHa gear, to be frank, there's a lot of gear out there that isn't aesthetically pleasing for all character models or aesthetically pleasing at all, though of course I realise that's subjective (and is kinda the point), but other people like gear I think is ugly and they use it as their glamour, which is absolutely fine. When I see gear I don't think looks good on my character or don't like at all or doesn't appeal to me then I glamour over it.

A lot of raid gear has looked terrible to me. But that's absolutely fine because different gearsets appeal to different people's tastes and arguably that's why there's variety. Some items may appeal to a minority, but it's all just a hit and miss. Removing genderlocks on gear just makes that gear more accessible to people who want it.

And it takes tremendous resources to reshape outfits to the various body types, so if they only do a handful and put much needed resources elsewhere, that's completely fine with me.

Whilst I think spending and priority of resources is a fairer argument, it is also a question of the type of resource, their workflow and how easy or difficult it is to implement. On existing outfits all of the media is already there and most of the work is already done. How easy it is to implement will depend on the complexity of their workflow.

Though SE is probably the only one to be able to give the true insight here. But if I am to draw comparison to the dev environment I work in, sometimes we get given low priority tasks we can work on in between jobs or when we have 5 or 10 minutes free, but to prioritise all other work over it. So I think it is plausible they could do the same, which was kinda the impression I got when YoshiP talked about the team working in some headgear for Viera and Hrothgar when he said they didn't have the resource to.

But with regards to the gear drops. Who knows in the next YoRHa raid the outfit drop might be 9S. They still have 2 more raids to stretch themed outfits over.