Please reconsider removing job restrictions on glamour armor

[CazzT]

I don't know what your stance on this is because you are constantly contradicting yourself.

Then you're not reading what I'm writing. I have not contradicted myself at any point.

The main focus of this topic is removing restrictions on NON artifact gear. Artifact gear is usually considered the gear you get as part of your job quests at 50,60,70 etc.

And that is the gear I am referring, job gear. But everyone keeps blurring the line on this, which is why I'm pointing out that the restrictions should not be lifted. If you had actually been reading what I've written, you would know what gear I'm referring to. And you would also see that I am not contradicting myself because of that.

[MsQi]

Then you're not reading what I'm writing. I have not contradicted myself at any point.

And that is the gear I am referring, job gear. But everyone keeps blurring the line on this, which is why I'm pointing out that the restrictions should not be lifted. If you had actually been reading what I've written, you would know what gear I'm referring to. And you would also see that I am not contradicting myself because of that.

you said "There's no reason to remove the restrictions on CLASS gear. " You argue against the OP who has already said he wants Job gear (artifact) to remain restricted.

EDIT:

Yda, Popalymo, and J'olhmyn are not wearing Artifact gear. Maybe you made some bad word choices, but your position is confusing me.

[Aurida]

Too much player freedom and you lose what makes a game good.

Weird hill to die on, but what can I say but 'bruh' to the idea that less creative options is somehow a good thing?

'Generic outfits that anyone can wear' like that the entire series history and representation vanishes the exact moment you can put a feathered hat on someone not using the right job stone. Again, you could just do this freely in FF11 and I don't particularly recall anyone complaining so loud then. If you don't like the idea of putting the RDM outfit on a non-RDM, then... don't! Just like with every other glamour in the game.

Now... If you're going to go on to claim that seeing OTHER people in it damages your sense of immersion or connection to the job lore... are we even playing the same game at this point?

[JoHighnes]

I wonder why SE allowed this in China?

I think is one of the the real reasons for keeping the glamour system the way it is. If they did change it, it would be hard to sell job locked gear as glams on mog station. It would also be slapping all people who already bought it.

[Iscah]

I think is one of the the real reasons for keeping the glamour system the way it is. If they did change it, it would be hard to sell job locked gear as glams on mog station. It would also be slapping all people who already bought it.

China aside (being managed independently of the normal game), since when have they sold job-locked gear on the Mog Station? It's all novelty gear and character cosplays.

[Duelle]

That's a perfectly legitimate reason, though.

Considering Yoshida's silly example involves weapons when the OP and the entire topic revolves around armor, it's not a legitimate reason. It's a poor attempt at deflection to avoid addressing the question head on by presenting a ridiculous extreme that is not even what is being asked for.

It would not make sense to see a Warrior or Paladin in Black Mage garb, either. Think past the words written to the context of what's being said.

It sounds to me like you're talking about artifact sets, AKA the thing the OP is saying should remain class/job-restricted. If a tank wants to glamour the Sky Pirate's Coat of Casting or the Plague Bringer's Mask, I say let them. If a NIN or MNK wants to glamour the Demon set of Aiming, I say let them. If a healer wants to glamour the Replica Heavy Allagan Armor, I say let them.

Except they haven't. Adding additional armor into the game that anyone can use does not change the reality that the class armor is designed around the class identity.

Considering the sets that look exactly the same with a different color scheme and reused armor designs that were used by other classes, this isn't a strong argument.

1 - Not exactly. There are armors that are similar, but still distinctly different.

Aside from odds and ends, there's how each piece reacts to color (Gazelleskin Coat of healing vs Atrociraptor Coat of Casting), which does not create enough of a distinction. In the end, some sets are reused and shared between jobs under different names.

2 - NPCs are not players. NPCs have abilities that players do not, and likely never will, have. PLD is a good example. PLD does not have a massive frontal cone attack, but there are two PLD NPCs that use just such an attack. NPCs have and get things players do not. This is not an acceptable reason to remove restrictions.

Skills and aesthetics have little to do with each other. I don't see people clamoring to get Water of the Seventh Dawn or Death of the Seventh Dawn despite those being usable by Y'shtola and Urianger, or Swashbuckler from the tank role questline (though I sure as hell do miss having Rage of Halone), or Enfire from the Heavensward PLD questline. It's bizarre that you consider NPCs dangling in front of players something they can't have as an invalid reason to ease the glamour restrictions.

3 - Looking like a character does not require being that character's job.

Which has nothing to do with the discussion on glamours.

5 - Joke glamours were never designed to be class/job specific. Not an acceptable reason to remove restrictions.

He mentions joke glamours because joke glamours spit in the face of any argument for specific aesthetics and/or restrictions. When your tank can show up in a pig costume or naked, any pretenses of specific aesthetics become moot because anything else (like allowing said tank to glamour casting, scouting or striking pieces) is a LOT less egregious by comparison.

What's wrong with this? It's an NPC, not a player. It's not even an iconic NPC, in fact. This is standard practice in MMOs.

And if people want to dress like that NPC, they should be able to.

[JoHighnes]

China aside.

This was not China aside though. If they implement it in the game it would be a world wide change. I can't imagine them maintaining different code bases for different regions.

Edit: Granted, it does seem like the China servers have some layer of extra maintenance as they lag behind and are maintained by another company, similar to how many Korean mmos are released in the west. This would still be a too big difference in code to reasonably keep separated, but it does mean there may be (depending on what revenue they get from china) less of a motivation.

[Dogempire]

Consider: When you see Final Fantasy art, regardless of which title it's from, you can quickly pick out jobs/classes by how they look. What you, and others in this thread, are asking for is to throw that away. It's one of the defining characteristics of the entire franchise.

Ah yes, because when I see a super buff Roe in a bikini and a Frog head I think "That's definitely a summoner"

We have a glamour system for a reason, and that reason is because it adds another dimension of fun to the game by letting you pick and choose your own custom outfits based on the gear you have available to you.

[linay]

Ah yes, because when I see a super buff Roe in a bikini and a Frog head I think "That's definitely a summoner"

No, you'd think that's someone in a bikini and a frog head. The existence of such types of (all classes) glamour does not change the fact that there are gears that are associated with certain jobs/roles. Again, a green Shisui set is associated with Ninja regardless if you think that's a suitable gear for Ninja. When you see someone wearing that gear, you can know that's a ninja unless you've misidentified the gear.

[Alucard135]

Again, a green Shisui set is associated with Ninja regardless if you think that's a suitable gear for Ninja. When you see someone wearing that gear, you can know that's a ninja unless you've misidentified the gear.

I don't play the other classes a lot to know which gear is for which class, so this is not an iconic gear for that class. But I can certainly identify the artifact gear with ease, since it has features that are linked to each job. Furthermore, they can easily add a dyeable shisui gear that would look exactly like the NIN one and it wouldn't create any problem.