Please reconsider removing job restrictions on glamour armor

[zeth07]

Here is Yoshi-P's excuse for why it's not possible taken from a Kotaku article a few months ago:

https://kotaku.com/we-took-a-bold-st...ect-1835098319

5/29/19
Yoshi-P: to answer about removing the job restrictions, unfortunately, we don’t intend to remove them. The reason is simple.

For players who have played other Final Fantasy titles, they’ll easily recognize these gear designs as a way to identify a particular job...You wouldn’t want to see someone carrying an axe casting black magic. You’d wonder: What the hell kind of game is this?

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This cannot be an acceptable reason for the restriction with the current state of the game's armor selection.

First off, the excuse about carrying an axe and casting black magic doesn't make sense. No one is talking about glamouring job weapons. I feel like we all understand THAT wouldn't make sense. So it is a horrible example for why the restriction is in place.

Second, if they are going to use the old excuse that the "gear designs" are meant to "identify a particular job", they have long since thrown that out the window with the glamour options we have received. Particularly the joke ones.

Reasons Restrictions Should Be Removed:

- Reason #1 = We already have actual job swapped gear models/recolors.

If they originally designed those sets to identify a particular job, they shouldn't then decide to literally let other jobs wear the same thing as a "new set".

- Reason #2 = NPCs have mixed gear "glamour" already.

J'olhmyn has a gear set from FOUR different job types between DRG, NIN, Healer, and Tank.

- Reason #3 = Special NPC outfits are no longer "unique" to them.

We are allowed to look identical to major story characters but not other jobs?

- Reason #4 = Make "Artifact" armor and equivalents the exceptions.

This lets you keep the job identity for at least the armor sets that are supposed to look like the job, which is more in line with what they say as an excuse.

- Reason #5 = Joke glamours exist.

As soon as they decided to make things like the Fat Chocobo Head/Armor, Pig, Moogle, and Frog a glamour set they lost all merit for upholding any kind of standards in regards to keeping with appearances of the jobs as they said.

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Visuals:

These are acceptable representations of:
"a way to identify a particular job" - Yoshi-P 2019





But this is not acceptable......



I feel like I made a reasonable explanation and gave plenty of examples for why glamour job restrictions on armor should be removed.

So FFXIV team, please remove job restrictions on glamour armor already, it's almost 2020.

[Destati]

As far as I'm aware, literally nobody has asked or is asking for glamour restrictions on weapons to be lifted, so I find it mildly irksome that Yoshi P would even cite them as an example but I digress.

At this point they really do need to remove the restrictions already, especially since they seem to be reusing gear sets even more this expansion... Exempting artifact gear and weapons is fine and understandable, but everything else.... come on SE. Please.

[linay]

I think the real reason is the need vs greed loot restriction. We can glamour everything we can wear, so if every job can glamour everything, then every job can wear everything, and then every job can need on everything. And since we want certain jobs to be able to need on loots, then there is restriction in place for actuals gears (not glamour).

That's why glamour/joke gear doesn't matter, including those worn by npcs.

[Duelle]

I think the real reason is the need vs greed loot restriction. We can glamour everything we can wear, so if every job can glamour everything, then every job can wear everything, and then every job can need on everything. And since we want certain jobs to be able to need on loots, then there is restriction in place for actuals gears (not glamour).

That's a flimsy excuse, since you can set loot rules to work separately from job restrictions for glamour. As I've mentioned before, you could have it be something as simple as requiring you to level the corresponding class/job to use glamours for that job. So if I level MNK to lv60, I can glamour the Sky Pirate set of Striking to any of my other jobs so long as they are at least lv60 and the gear I'm glamouring on is higher item level. If nothing else, this gives people a reason to level additional jobs, which wouldn't be a bad thing.

That does not follow. There is more diversity if you can mix and match everything.

This, pretty much.

Just to emphasize, this is applicable to body gear, not the nonsense involving weapons from the Yoshida quote at the top of this page.

[Unease_Lemming]

I too feel like this is long overdue, and it's especially driving me nuts this patch, where all the sets I love extremely much can't be worn by the jobs I play most.

I see little reason why the system couldn't simply allow you to glamour anything that you have the required job at the required level for. Nothing would change about Need/Greed rolling that way, just now I could apply a level 80 DRG glam to anything, since I technically AM a level 80 DRG and could wear this outfit within seconds anyway with a class change.

As a bonus, I strongly feel this would be a fantastic incentive for people to actually level other jobs, something that the developers recently tapped into with the Amaro mount.

Trust me on this SE, nothing would be a more alluring carrot than omni-glamours. Your glamours are great. Let us use them on everything!

[linay]

That's a flimsy excuse, since you can set loot rules to work separately from job restrictions for glamour. As I've mentioned before, you could have it be something as simple as requiring you to level the corresponding class/job to use glamours for that job. So if I level MNK to lv60, I can glamour the Sky Pirate set of Striking to any of my other jobs so long as they are at least lv60 and the gear I'm glamouring on is higher item level. If nothing else, this gives people a reason to level additional jobs, which wouldn't be a bad thing.

If I can glamour it, then I should be able to wear it. If I can wear it, then I should be able to roll need on it.

[Ardox]

I think the real reason is the need vs greed loot restriction. We can glamour everything we can wear, so if every job can glamour everything, then every job can wear everything, and then every job can need on everything. And since we want certain jobs to be able to need on loots, then there is restriction in place for actuals gears (not glamour).

That's why glamour/joke gear doesn't matter, including those worn by npcs.

Lifting the glamour restriction wouldn't have any effect on what you can need or not: the real piece of gear would still have the class/job restriction and that's what determines if you can cast a need on something

[linay]

Lifting the glamour restriction wouldn't have any effect on what you can need or not: the real piece of gear would still have the class/job restriction and that's what determines if you can cast a need on something

That depends how the restriction is put in place. If it's tied to what you can wear, then removing one restriction might mean removing the other as well, but I could be wrong on that.

Regardless, even if it doesn't work that way, it should. Glamour is as much a valid need, especially when gears get regularly replaced. Not being able to need on a gear that you can use (as a glamour) with your current job just sounds wrong.

[AduroT]

I think it’s weirdly silly that you can glamor armor into cloth, but you can’t glamor cloth into armor. Perfectly fine with something that says X Class Only only being able to be worn by said X Class though.

[linay]

I think it’s weirdly silly that you can glamor armor into cloth, but you can’t glamor cloth into armor.

There is no such distinction in this game as far as I'm aware.