The Copied Factory too easy?

[Doozer]

If it was too easy I wouldn't have died because I was so busy raising literally everyone because they're level 80 and don't know what an AoE is. I never had time to heal myself because people got hit on every single attack. At the moment, it doesn't need to be made harder, unless somehow every player magically learns how to play at the same time.

[FirstnameLastname]

They could not (and I repeat, could not) have made it a hard raid because around 90% of the players in there are only enduring such "hardcore high end pve content" (actual quote from someone with a weeb name and glam I saw inside) to get their pixel butt skin. This forum would be burning if they could not clear it with their usual 19 stacks of vulnerability up and a single carry player per alliance.

[Seoulstar]

They could not (and I repeat, could not) have made it a hard raid because around 90% of the players in there are only enduring such "hardcore high end pve content" (actual quote from someone with a weeb name and glam I saw inside) to get their pixel butt skin. This forum would be burning if they could not clear it with their usual 19 stacks of vulnerability up and a single carry player per alliance.

Did you just generalize over a quote from one random person in a 24 man raid lol

[FirstnameLastname]

Did you just generalize over a quote from one random person in a 24 man raid lol

Have you actually been inside? It's a clown fiesta every time.

[Rasikko]

They could not (and I repeat, could not) have made it a hard raid because around 90% of the players in there are only enduring such "hardcore high end pve content" (actual quote from someone with a weeb name and glam I saw inside) to get their pixel butt skin. This forum would be burning if they could not clear it with their usual 19 stacks of vulnerability up and a single carry player per alliance.

I have not seen anyone in the groups I've been in with stacks greater than 2, but then I can't see the debuffs of the other 2 groups so.. but if you're seeing someone with 19 stacks, then I wonder how those healers don't just drop from the groups, that's is about 5x normal damage, meaning 1 AOE/raid wide attack is gonna kill somebody outright.

[Maeka]

I finally did this raid myself today.

It doesn't help it's my first 24man, I never had time to do the previous ones, but...

I noticed that a lot of the mechanics were either difficult to see the markers/tells, or they gave you <1 second reaction time/margin of error and everything does 80% of your health in damage and puts vuln on you so that you're guaranteed to die next time you get hit unless you got some shielding on you.

I was getting hit by a lot of stuff I was like "Um, OK how I was supposed to dodge that again?" I'd be fine one second, and then dead the next when there were no tells, no glow, no ground markers, nothing. Just BOOM. dead. I can only assume it has to do with which way the boss is facing, but with 15+ people standing ontop of it, that was nearly impossible to tell which way it's facing amidst all the chaos.

I would have to say I don't really get the big "hoo-hah" over 24 man content. It's just a lot of chaos and I didn't find it particularly fun. I think the same thing could have easily be done with 8man content, with the one exception being that big boss in the center with the 3 platforms with one team on each platform.

Otherwise, just throwing more bodies and vastly inflating health pools to match didn't really make it any more fun than 8 man fights to be honest.

[WildsWalker]

I finally did this raid myself today.

It doesn't help it's my first 24man, I never had time to do the previous ones, but...

I noticed that a lot of the mechanics were either difficult to see the markers/tells, or they gave you <1 second reaction time/margin of error and everything does 80% of your health in damage and puts vuln on you so that you're guaranteed to die next time you get hit unless you got some shielding on you.

I was getting hit by a lot of stuff I was like "Um, OK how I was supposed to dodge that again?" I'd be fine one second, and then dead the next when there were no tells, no glow, no ground markers, nothing. Just BOOM. dead. I can only assume it has to do with which way the boss is facing, but with 15+ people standing ontop of it, that was nearly impossible to tell which way it's facing amidst all the chaos.

This macro will turn down the spell and skill effects of other players and make it easier to see tells:

/bfx party off
/bfx other off
/soundeffectsparty 50
/soundeffectsother 20

You can turn it back up after, if you like:

/bfx party all
/bfx other all
/soundeffectsparty 100
/soundeffectsother 100

[KarstenS]

I noticed that a lot of the mechanics were either difficult to see the markers/tells, or they gave you <1 second reaction time/margin of error and everything does 80% of your health in damage and puts vuln on you so that you're guaranteed to die next time you get hit unless you got some shielding on you.

Mechanics like this means: you have to read the name of the enemy cast and move before the marker appear. Focus target is your friend.

In some cases, like the 4 different arm attacks by Engels, you have to look at him to see which one he does.

[Ssmiley_Bjakkzz]

I'm glad for how it is already, dont want to stick around and everyone gets KO over and over like on heavensward 24raids.
I'm good for just me gets knocked out on the floor

[Voidedge_Ragna]

Keep in mind this is the first of the 3 raids.which tends to be the easiest. Its definitely more forgiving.

If you take this in contrast with the last raid who had a lot of "party b has to many deaths everyone will pay for it" copied factory allows for the other teams to carry.

Thundergod had 2 pads to stand on ... if 1 team was dead you died, also there was a fair chance they were far from the other healers which made rez annoying.

The factory equivalent of this would be engels meteors however the parties are close to each other and even with 1 full wiped party I'd think you can hold enough meteors to atleast not wipe.

While you can fall in engels theres no boss skill that takes advantage of this neither does the area restrict the player.

Theres also no pure chaos moments like in hashmal, and the legit one hit moves are very predictable.

Hashmal had towers that fell randomly ... and while those covered a much smaller area they still killed more then engels saw blade punches.

Why do i only mention engels? Cuz the first 2 are fairly easy (the combo of ground bombing and knockback can be annoying but anti knockback makes it trivial )

The last one is just a heal check and a "lets see how many stacks my tank gets to make the healer suffer"

So yea it is easier, does anyone know what happens on a party wipe in boss 2? Does he wipe the rest or are they simply dead.