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    Surely someone must have figured out something better?
    I made a macro today which requires much less stats.
    Hi,

    I came up with similar macros, when I tested with the 35 durab items, but I think you might have tested on the wrong items in the first one, at least when you say quality needed is 32753, as the new 2 star 35 durab items have 35092 quality requirement?

    Anyway I think you mixed two skills in the first rotation:

    /ac "Reflect" <wait.3>
    /ac "Basic Synthesis" <wait.3>
    /ac "Ingenuity" <wait.2>
    /ac "Manipulation" <wait.2>
    /ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
    I think you meant to do:

    /ac "Reflect" <wait.3>
    /ac "Manipulation" <wait.2>
    /ac "Ingenuity" <wait.2>
    /ac "Basic Synthesis" <wait.3>
    /ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
    this way it works, like you described even for the new 2 star ones but with those requirements as of teamcraft:

    Craftsmanship: 2242
    Control: 2336
    CP: 588

    Edit:

    Also I would switch Great Strides and Ingenuity at the end, cause without Ingenuity you cannot finish the craft, therefore, when you have an excellent proc, you need to remember this when manually crafting (could lead to failing the craft if not paying attention)

    /ac "Delicate Synthesis" <wait.3>
    /ac "Great Strides" <wait.2>
    /ac "Innovation" <wait.2>
    /echo ShB 35 durab p2 (588cp) ended<se.4>

    /ac "Ingenuity" <wait.2>
    /ac "Byregot's Blessing" <wait.3>
    /ac "Observe" <wait.3>
    /ac "Focused Synthesis" <wait.3>
    /echo ShB 35 durab p3 (588cp) ENDED!<se.6>
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    Last edited by Buuhuu; 11-03-2019 at 04:09 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buuhuu View Post
    Hi,

    I came up with similar macros, when I tested with the 35 durab items, but I think you might have tested on the wrong items in the first one, at least when you say quality needed is 32753, as the new 2 star 35 durab items have 35092 quality requirement?

    Anyway I think you mixed two skills in the first rotation:



    I think you meant to do:



    this way it works, like you described even for the new 2 star ones but with those requirements as of teamcraft:

    Craftsmanship: 2242
    Control: 2336
    CP: 588

    Edit:

    Also I would switch Great Strides and Ingenuity at the end, cause without Ingenuity you cannot finish the craft, therefore, when you have an excellent proc, you need to remember this when manually crafting (could lead to failing the craft if not paying attention)
    That's some wonderful amendments! Thank you very much!
    And yes, I was only doing the old 2 stars. And your amendments really helped with dealing the new 2 star.

    The last part should be:
    /ac "Delicate Synthesis" <wait.3>
    /ac "Ingenuity" <wait.2>
    /ac "Great Strides" <wait.2>

    /echo ShB 35 durab p2 (588cp) ended<se.4>

    /ac "Innovation" <wait.2>
    /ac "Byregot's Blessing" <wait.3>
    /ac "Observe" <wait.3>
    /ac "Focused Synthesis" <wait.3>
    /echo ShB 35 durab p3 (588cp) ENDED!<se.6>

    Because Innovation is actually the weakest out of all.

    The way how everything is lined up perfectly now is just BEAUTIFUL ...durab hitting max just before Manip falls off and then Waste Not kicks in... 5 steps of Ingen finishes just as the last Focused Syn completes. It's in such perfection it's exciting to watch as the macro runs!
    Thanks again!
    Cheers!~
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    Last edited by Caimie_Tsukino; 11-03-2019 at 10:20 AM.

    “The best crafter is not the one with the best stats, but the one who makes the best use of one’s stats” – By Caimie Tsukino

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caimie_Tsukino View Post
    That's some wonderful amendments! Thank you very much!
    And yes, I was only doing the old 2 stars. And your amendments really helped with dealing the new 2 star.

    The last part should be:
    /ac "Delicate Synthesis" <wait.3>
    /ac "Ingenuity" <wait.2>
    /ac "Great Strides" <wait.2>

    /echo ShB 35 durab p2 (588cp) ended<se.4>

    /ac "Innovation" <wait.2>
    /ac "Byregot's Blessing" <wait.3>
    /ac "Observe" <wait.3>
    /ac "Focused Synthesis" <wait.3>
    /echo ShB 35 durab p3 (588cp) ENDED!<se.6>

    Because Innovation is actually the weakest out of all.

    The way how everything is lined up perfectly now is just BEAUTIFUL ...durab hitting max just before Manip falls off and then Waste Not kicks in... 5 steps of Ingen finishes just as the last Focused Syn completes. It's in such perfection it's exciting to watch as the macro runs!
    Thanks again!
    Cheers!~
    Glad I could help

    For your last change with Innovation:

    I thought about that aswell, but you would bump the craftsmanship requirement by a lot, with that (to around 2345 as of teamcraft). As innovation not just only buff quality gain, but also progress now.

    In theory your change is really nice, if you want to get the most quality out of it. But when you have an excellent proc for your finisher, your control could be as low as possible for those items and you would still get the item to 100% most likely. Therefore I think it's an unneccessary increase of craftsmanship requirement in this case
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    NOTE: Please see post below for some wonderful suggested changes by Buuhuu.

    Surely someone must have figured out something better?
    I made a macro today which requires much less stats.

    For OLD 2 star 35 durab items with 4777 difficulty

    Final stats requirement:
    2206 craft
    2162 control
    588 CP

    Basic stats:
    2206 craft
    2131 control
    538 CP
    + use HQ Seafood Stew (+31 control, +50 CP), which is extremely cheap!

    Tested ALL NQ mats, end up 100% HQ guaranteed (broke into 3 macros for the final condition check. You can just fuse the last 2 macros together if you wanna save time, but skip the check).

    For NEW 2 star 35 durab items with 5428 difficulty

    Final stats requirement:
    2226 craft
    2182 control
    595 CP (by changing the Basic Syn into Careful Syn!)

    For the new 2 star 35 durab items, it doesn't hit 100% HQ, but only 90%. So having 1 HQ mat will help.


    /ac "Reflect" <wait.3>
    /ac "Manipulation" <wait.2>
    /ac "Ingenuity" <wait.2>
    /ac "Basic Synthesis" <wait.3>
    /ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
    /ac "Prudent Touch" <wait.3>
    /echo ShB 35 durab p1 (588cp) ended<se.2>

    /ac "Great Strides" <wait.2>
    /ac "Ingenuity" <wait.2>
    /ac "Waste Not" <wait.2>
    /ac "Delicate Synthesis" <wait.3>
    /ac "Delicate Synthesis" <wait.3>
    /ac "Delicate Synthesis" <wait.3>
    /ac "Delicate Synthesis" <wait.3>
    /ac "Ingenuity" <wait.2>
    /ac "Great Strides" <wait.2>
    /echo ShB 35 durab p2 (588cp) ended<se.4>

    /ac "Innovation" <wait.2>
    /ac "Byregot's Blessing" <wait.3>
    /ac "Observe" <wait.3>
    /ac "Focused Synthesis" <wait.3>
    /echo ShB 35 durab p3 (588cp) ENDED!<se.6>

    *Edited per Buuhuu's suggestions below.

    Quality check (OLD 2 star 35 durab with 4777 difficulty):


    Quality check (NEW 2 star 35 durab with 5428 difficulty):
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    Last edited by Caimie_Tsukino; 11-03-2019 at 10:42 AM.

    “The best crafter is not the one with the best stats, but the one who makes the best use of one’s stats” – By Caimie Tsukino

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    If you have 2140 craftsmanship 2010 Control and 535 cp. Then all you need is HQ Blood B + cunning craftsmen syrup and 2 HQ mats. This is for the 70 dur rotation though dont remember exactly how low you could go with 35 dur..
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    Wait so no one uses the "Element" stuff? weird its acually pretty nice...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuroka View Post
    Wait so no one uses the "Element" stuff? weird its acually pretty nice...
    Well the Element-Stuff is good, but now that it costs 30 CP to just buff it to reasonable levels, it isn't that useful anymore. To reach full progress is rarely the problem. When doing rotations, it is mostly about how to squeeze the most quality out of it.

    In most cases, when I tried to include the "Element"-Stuff into my rotation I either waste one Buff (Inguenity for example) to get all 3 uses out of it or just using 2 and with the CP spent there I often could do the same with less CP usage^^

    If you have a rotation, where you utilize the Element-Skills, feel free to share, maybe I am wrong and there is a good use case for them when crafting endgame stuff
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    Am i missing something, see all these macro's end with Byregot's blessing, but none of them use Inner Quiet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buuhuu View Post
    Well the Element-Stuff is good, but now that it costs 30 CP to just buff it to reasonable levels, it isn't that useful anymore. To reach full progress is rarely the problem. When doing rotations, it is mostly about how to squeeze the most quality out of it.

    In most cases, when I tried to include the "Element"-Stuff into my rotation I either waste one Buff (Inguenity for example) to get all 3 uses out of it or just using 2 and with the CP spent there I often could do the same with less CP usage^^

    If you have a rotation, where you utilize the Element-Skills, feel free to share, maybe I am wrong and there is a good use case for them when crafting endgame stuff
    Only if youre german^^
    Code:
    /ac Einkehr <wait.3>
    /ac Manipulation <wait.2>
    /ac "Name der Elemente" <wait.2>
    /ac EInfallsreichtum <wait.2>
    /ac "Zeichen der Elemente" <wait.3>
    /ac "Zeichen der Elemente" <wait.3>
    /ac "Letzte Kontrolle" <wait.3>
    /ac "Akribische Bearbeitung" <wait.3>
    /ac "Nachhaltige Veredelung" <wait.3>
    /ac "Nachhaltige Veredelung" <wait.3>
    /ac Einfallsreichtum <wait.2>
    /ac Innovation <wait.2>
    /ac "Nachhaltige Veredelung" <wait.3>
    /ac "Nachhaltige Veredelung" <wait.3>
    Code:
    /ac "Nachhaltige Veredelung" <wait.3>
    /ac "Wiederherstellung" <wait.3>
    /ac EInfallsreichtum <wait.2>
    /ac Innovation <wait.2>
    /ac "Basisveredelung" <wait.3>
    /ac "Große Schritte" <wait.2>
    /ac "Byregots Benediktion" <wait.3>
    /ac  Bearbeiten <wait.3>
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuroka View Post
    Only if youre german^^
    Code:
    /ac Einkehr <wait.3>
    /ac Manipulation <wait.2>
    /ac "Name der Elemente" <wait.2>
    /ac EInfallsreichtum <wait.2>
    /ac "Zeichen der Elemente" <wait.3>
    /ac "Zeichen der Elemente" <wait.3>
    /ac "Letzte Kontrolle" <wait.3>
    /ac "Akribische Bearbeitung" <wait.3>
    /ac "Nachhaltige Veredelung" <wait.3>
    /ac "Nachhaltige Veredelung" <wait.3>
    /ac Einfallsreichtum <wait.2>
    /ac Innovation <wait.2>
    /ac "Nachhaltige Veredelung" <wait.3>
    /ac "Nachhaltige Veredelung" <wait.3>
    Code:
    /ac "Nachhaltige Veredelung" <wait.3>
    /ac "Wiederherstellung" <wait.3>
    /ac EInfallsreichtum <wait.2>
    /ac Innovation <wait.2>
    /ac "Basisveredelung" <wait.3>
    /ac "Große Schritte" <wait.2>
    /ac "Byregots Benediktion" <wait.3>
    /ac  Bearbeiten <wait.3>
    Yes I am^^ (still answering in english, though)

    Thanks for sharing and yeah, this is quite good aswell. Without re-arranging the skills too much it's not that easy to replace the elements in this rotation.

    Honestly I forgot, that we were talking mostly of the 35 durab items, as I rarely hq-ing those ^^'
    But if you compare your rotation with the one from caimie for example (same stats):

    Yours: https://prnt.sc/ps07vo
    Caimies: https://prnt.sc/ps07mk

    It almost yields the same results (a little bit more progress on yours, quality is the same) but caimies' costs 18 cp less.
    Delicate synthesis ("Akribische Bearbeitung") is really good, as it combines a normal (100%)-synth and a touch into one. And it is really expensive (especially on the 35 durab items), to maintain/replenish durability + maintaining buffs, that makes this skill so powerful.

    And to "loose" 2 or 3 touches for those element skills together with the increased cp cost is the reason, I think, I always come up with cp less alternatives not using those :/

    So I didn't meant that those skills are "useless", they are still strong. But I feel, that they are eating too many resources. But maybe I am a little bit too fussy about those things, I don't know^^
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