Copied Factory

[AxHell]

While I would have loved to have some lore before, during and after the raid, I really enjoyed it and didn't mind grinding it to get loot.

Having enjoyed Nier A, it was a great raid and I can't wait to see what the next raids will be like.

My favorite boss in it was Hobbes, the second one (or Glados if you will.)

Imo there should be more fights like this one where the environment interacts with the players, with each alliance having their own mechanics to deal with.

The other bosses were great as well but I really enjoyed Hobbes.

[Rhus]

Such a shame even in the world of xiv nines can’t even keep his feet on solid ground lol

[Berethos]

Why do we bust our asses trying to make this giant golem thing to climb to Mount Gulg with when there was literally something big enough to probably fit the bill right in Kholusia's back yard? It kinda makes that whole segment of the MSQ feel a lot more pointless in retrospect.

Anyway, I imagine the people who are fans of Nier are really stoked, but for those that aren't or haven't even played it, it's kind of a big "whaaaa?"

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Plot related stuff:

Even assuming that there were that many who were actually aware of the existence of the copied factory location, and assuming that it is in fact visible from the sky, we don't really know that Engles was visible from the sky as well, or how close the whole area really is to Eulmore. Distances between areas that aren't visibly connected is pretty malleable, so it's possible that the area is further away than it first seems.

Which makes it less likely that it would have been spotted by Eulmore's airships, who until Vauthry took power seemed pretty focused on dealing with the Lightwarden threat and less so on investigating random ruins. Once Vauthry did take power, there's even less reason to assume they'd have gone out investigating that stuff...the whole city state of Eulmore at that point seemed quite content to just live in decadence for quite some time now.

There's also how they basically stopped relations with the Dwarves, which suggests that they just didn't go into that area much, so that's more evidence that the current members of the army or airship pilots just aren't likely to have both seen and explored that area.

Then there's the possibility that if they did have some explore it, it's possible that they simply didn't make it back or were driven off before reaching Engles (and based on his location, with the dust in the area reducing visibility, may have only been visible from the ground).

And let's say that somehow things line up so that someone who was around Eulmore at the exact time that we were headed up to chase after Vauthry knew about the Copied Factory, knew that there was machines down there, AND knew that they were functioning (an unlikely set of conditions). Would they know how to control it? The building and maintenance of Talos on Norvrandt is apparently a bit of a specialty - Engles and the other machines are clearly more advanced than anything else currently on the First, with the sole exception of possibly the Crystal Tower.

And finally, and probably most importantly...Engles isn't actually big enough.

[dspimoni]

I found this raid to be immensely frustrating. It seemed like I was dying every 2 seconds. The aoes seemed to be poorly telegraphed, and the consequences unforgiving. I found the story to it confusing, as if I was expected to know everything about N:A going in (I tried the game a while ago but I bounced off of it because it was too difficult to me). Don't think I'll be queuing for this one any time soon.

[Berteaux_Braumegain]

Why do we bust our asses trying to make this giant golem thing to climb to Mount Gulg with when there was literally something big enough to probably fit the bill right in Kholusia's back yard? It kinda makes that whole segment of the MSQ feel a lot more pointless in retrospect.

Considering that Engels' immediate reaction to seeing the Warrior of Light is trying to kill him, I don't see how making the Talos is pointless. Especially in light of how it not only brought everyone together, but also inspired change in the people of Eulmore.

[Machka]

I found this raid to be immensely frustrating. It seemed like I was dying every 2 seconds. The aoes seemed to be poorly telegraphed, and the consequences unforgiving. I found the story to it confusing, as if I was expected to know everything about N:A going in (I tried the game a while ago but I bounced off of it because it was too difficult to me). Don't think I'll be queuing for this one any time soon.

I don't feel like it's any harder/harsher than previous 24 man raids. Most of the aoes telegraph and handle like typical FFXIV aoes. The exception in this new 24 man is the staggered divebomb/line aoes that 9S does when he flies off in his suit, since that damage/effect is tied to the animation instead of the typical position snapshot. And in terms of overall mechanics and movement, it's actually less punishing than many of the older 24 man encounters. For example, there are a lot less one-shot mechanics (as in mechanics where you just die if you mess up even once, which were pretty common in HW and SB 24 mans).

I've only been through it twice, (first time was in progress, joining halfway through) and most of the mechanics were fairly intuitive and avoidable (with just some quick 1-2 sentence explanations in alliance chat for the last two bosses). A lot of people I saw dying frequently looked like they were essentially ignoring the mechanics, so I'd wager it's likely they were simply paying attention to the wrong thing at the wrong time (and that's normal in a new fight!). Most of it just comes down to situational awareness, and getting more familiar with the fights/mechanics should help greatly with that. I'm sure it will feel better after you try it a few more times and/or get used to things a bit more!

[Berteaux_Braumegain]

I'm just hoping we actually get some relevant lore out of this whole deal instead of it being wholly self-contained.

The raid itself was fun, but I don't want it to just be a love letter to the Nier Automata fans. Ivalice was also largely its own story but it at least had a stinger that's likely to end up becoming a potentially huge problem in the near future.

[Rokke]

I've run it about 8 times now and it seems like people are getting the hang of it faster than the Ivalice raids. On patch morning we finished our first run with a little under an hr on the clock, which was quite speedier than what I can remember of previous blind runs. The 2nd boss is chaotic, but even with an alliance wiped out the other 2 can drag them along. The 1st and 3rd boss are pretty easy, and the only mechanic the final boss has that people seem to struggle with is the flight dive bombs. Gonna be in there a lot for the glams, so I am not mad about the cleartimes at all :}

The unisex 2B set is pretty funny, I hope we get a unisex version of 9S's set down the line too.

[StriderShinryu]

Really enjoyed it, but I also came into it as a Nier fan so I was sort of pre-disposed to like it. I'm eager to see where they go with it next both storyline wise and design wise. Amusement Park with maybe a dash of Machine Village next and Tower with maybe some touches of Copied City for the last part is my guess.

My only issue is that it felt like the bosses took a long time to kill but I'm sure that will improve over time and gear improvement.

[DamianFatale]

We all get a turn. Not every new cycle of content will be enjoyed by 100% of people. I have friends that don't like sci fi in their Final Fantasy, and those that do. The mindset we are trying to go for is how much love and a majority want there was for Nier Automata. It was bound to happen in some form or another.

We're choosing to be happy for those that are, but optimistic that the next 24 man raid series will be more desirable in the next cycle for those that do not care for the theme. We all get a turn. Doesn't mean it's bad, or it's good. You can't have everything happen the way you want in every single patch.