Ideas for the tank dash-ins

[CommanderNarwhal]

So I think most of us prefer the idea of the tank dash-ins being different rather than all being homogenized as they are currently (save for onslaught). My idea for it is that Dark Knight's plunge should remain as is. Paladin's should have the damage removed entirely and be usable on teammates as well as the boss for pure mobility. Gunbreaker shouldn't have a dash-in, instead opting for the ability to use their melee abilities at range for either a limited duration or a certain number of GCD's. What to do with Onslaught I sadly have no idea as making it gauge efficient and giving it a longer cooldown makes it to similar to upheaval.

[Ilenya]

I am not a tank main, but I disagree on GNB not having a dash-in. Their dash in is perfectly fitting for what GNB is based off of. I do like the idea of Paladin having an ally dash, especially if it adds a small shield to them (Or to self on enemy dash?). What would be fun to see is a dash that does an AoE hit, since to the best of my knowledge none do right now for tanks, but I don't know which would suit that.

[aodhan_ofinnegain]

So I think most of us prefer the idea of the tank dash-ins being different rather than all being homogenized as they are currently (save for onslaught). My idea for it is that Dark Knight's plunge should remain as is. Paladin's should have the damage removed entirely and be usable on teammates as well as the boss for pure mobility. Gunbreaker shouldn't have a dash-in, instead opting for the ability to use their melee abilities at range for either a limited duration or a certain number of GCD's. What to do with Onslaught I sadly have no idea as making it gauge efficient and giving it a longer cooldown makes it to similar to upheaval.

Not sure why you specifically remove damage from PLDs Intervene, you try having someone charge at you with a shield and say it didn't hurt.

I second Ilenya's sentiment in regards GNB, that is an awful suggestion. You're basically trying to give GNB Requiescat; it does not serve as an answer to the mobility aspect missing from the job, any paladin main in SB can tell you that.

[Reynhart]

it does not serve as an answer to the mobility aspect missing from the job, any paladin main in SB can tell you that.

Gap closing is not a mobility issue, but an uptime issue.
If you have the option of doing your combo at range, you don't lose any uptime when coming back to the target. Even better since you wouldn't lose uptime even while dodging an AoE. And it would fit a Gunbreaker, since some animations clearly show them shooting something from their barrel.

[aodhan_ofinnegain]

Gap closing is not a mobility issue, but an uptime issue.
If you have the option of doing your combo at range, you don't lose any uptime when coming back to the target. Even better since you wouldn't lose uptime even while dodging an AoE. And it would fit a Gunbreaker, since some animations clearly show them shooting something from their barrel.

Worth pointing out that GNB gunblades, aren't actual guns, "the firing mechanism, emitting a range of magical effects by utilizing aesthetically imbued cartridges " courtesy of the ffxiv gunbreaker job guide. Garlean gunblades are both gun and blade. So no it would not be thematic in anyway.

And uptime or mobility, are basically the same the thing, get to back to boss asap so you can keep uptime, neither is mutually exclusive.

[Reynhart]

Worth pointing out that GNB gunblades, aren't actual guns

Yes, they aren't, as they don't shopt bullets...yet they still shoot aetherial charges, which still make them weapons with range capabilities.

And uptime or mobility, are basically the same the thing, get to back to boss asap so you can keep uptime, neither is mutually exclusive.

Since they're the same, keeping attacking even at range would have the same effect of having a gap closer. Thus giving every job tools to face every situation, while having their own flavor. So you could have two charges of "your next 3GCD have a 10y range".

[ReiMakoto]

Yes, they aren't, as they don't shopt bullets...yet they still shoot aetherial charges, which still make them weapons with range capabilities.

The Aetheric Charges do not give Gunbreaker Gunblades ranged capabilities for offence which is clearly stated in the Jobquests, when firing the atheric charge for damage you're essentially setting off a grenade at the barrel end of the gunblade i.e. not a projectile, this is why their pull move lightning shot is a blade beam thing that they drag along the floor rather than just blasting the, from range. Now they are able to fire things in the sense of Heart of stone and for thier final limit break they are fireing barriers, but it is unclear wether this is just generic atherial manipulation like with say a plds intervention, as it does not use any catridges to do these moves

[Sabora_Makingai]

Attacking at range is fun and all (PLD main here) but gap closing is also about positioning. If you want to take that away fine, but give me a 10 potency buff on everything else. Also if you take away gap closer enjoy pugging E2S with tanks who cant dash back to boss after flares when the OT doesnt voke and the fight takes place in the NW corner.

[Reynhart]

If you want to take that away fine, but give me a 10 potency buff on everything else.

Like I said above, gap closing does nothing to keep uptime while you move away to doge an AoE or place an AoE away from the group. Ranged WS would have that perk, so I don't see why you should be buffed above that.
It would also prevent situations where you might not have your gap closer available because you burned your charges during a burst window. Changing your WS to ranged attacks wouldn't have any other use than keeping uptime when you have to move away.

[aodhan_ofinnegain]

Yes, they aren't, as they don't shopt bullets...yet they still shoot aetherial charges, which still make them weapons with range capabilities.

Since they're the same, keeping attacking even at range would have the same effect of having a gap closer. Thus giving every job tools to face every situation, while having their own flavor. So you could have two charges of "your next 3GCD have a 10y range".

You will have to either heavily reduce potency on the attacks from ranged as the gun blade isn't actually directly striking the target, or add new skills, to which GNB hotbars are already pretty full, or better idea, just leave gap closers as they are.

I don't want to see a nerf to PLD gap closer or the removal of GNBs because some random felt their perception is a good idea. I went SB without one and it was awful on fights like M/F, or fights with multiple pushback, that tempered will wasn't able to handle.