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[SeraphStray]

I never really understood the mindset of people that ask stuff like this, or maybe I do and don't want to think how egotistical some people can be.

Ah, the personal attack. That didn't take long.

If I do something in a video game, especially an MMO, I expect a return. EXP at the very least. It's an MMO. If you do a QUEST, you get exp. That's how this has ALWAYS worked.

On top of that, there are way too many other things to do. Not only from a life perspective, but from a gaming perspective as well. There are other games that reward you for spending your time in their game. And I'm NOT saying FFXIV doesn't. I'm saying this one specific thing doesn't, and it absolutely should. Why wouldn't anyone want another way to level?

I understand that sure, some people want to go back through the story and take screenshots, and I'm happy for those people that they get to do that with all of the different resources (gpose etc) that we have now. But that's a minority, I'm sure. I know there are a lot of people like me that didn't know there wouldn't be exp for doing several QUESTS, and were excited at the prospect of a different way to level other jobs. Because, let's be real - you can only do PoTD, HoH etc so much. I love doing quests. It gives me something to read and different settings. I'm not alone here.

I wasn't going to use it anyway because I'd rather just use another character, but I never once expected we would get EXP or any other reward from this and it still boggles my mind that anyone else thought otherwise.

Okay, sure. Fine. But for, you know, a lot of people who play this game specifically, we like to have it on one character. To see it all filled out eventually maybe. That's what's great about it. It's not WoW where you HAVE to make 15 characters to experience all of the classes etc. You make one character and that's all you really have to do. That's one of the great things about this game.

The one problem is how soul-destroying it can be to level a new job sometimes. Like I said before; you can only do PoTD and HoH, the same low level dungeons back to back, so many times before you have to just...not do that anymore. FATES are dead, so that's not REALLY viable, so that leaves leves, which aren't terrible, sure. But, if I had a DREAM way to level, it'd either be through MSQ on a new job (same character) or make FATES relevant again. Because that was seriously so much fun back in ARR with everyone running around. The world felt more alive, I guess. But that's not what this post is about.

I don't think it's unreasonable to expect EXP for doing QUESTS, is ultimately what I'm getting at. Any video game gives it for quests. Especially MMO's. So... I don't think it should be an issue.

[SeraphStray]

I get what it's for. It just serves no purpose for me. i have no desire to rerun the story on my main unless it is a good way to get alt job experience. the story is the same whether i run it on an alt character or an alt job. but only one of those will give quest experience. ...i'm going to emphasize "for me". Which is why I can see the OP's point. You can find all the purpose in it you want.

It's so weird. People like you and I are like "Hey, we get that you guys are cool with just reliving the story with no reward." That's fine. Have fun! I'm happy it exists and wouldn't want it to disappear. But people on the other side are all "how dare you expect EXP from an MMO. It's so strange.

[Nicodemus_Mercy]

Does there really need to be something else?

For the time and resources invested in making the system, I'd wager that SE would like a certain return on that investment, i.e. a lot of players engaging with NG+. Without an incentive, there will be fewer people interested. If too few partake in NG+ then that investment ends up being time and money wasted.

[Nulien]

If too few partake in NG+ then that investment ends up being time and money wasted.

I can't imagine it would be all that much time and money wasted... all the content is already there, NG+ just provides a way to re-enable it. A lot of people never touch the cutscene journal in the inn, but I wouldn't call that a waste either.

[Verlyn]

I can't imagine it would be all that much time and money wasted... all the content is already there, NG+ just provides a way to re-enable it. A lot of people never touch the cutscene journal in the inn, but I wouldn't call that a waste either.

They basically had to recode every quest in the game up to Stormblood to enable it, and put in a dynamic phasing system. That's a LOT of work, for a game that didn't initially have the framework for it, and was possibly only justified by having to redo ARR.

But I mean, I kind of understand both sides here?

On one hand, story focus or no story focus, FFXIV is still kinda supposed to be a game. The MSQ isn't exactly engaging to *play* and the plot pre-Shadowbringers is a series of shining highlights amidst a sea of tedium and drudgery, so the least it can do is offer some minor form of progression in the name of engaging the player to suffer until they see what the moments they're interested in.

The main stickler, and likely what the devs omitted exp for, is that giving exp would encourage spamming the shortest chapter possible for the biggest gains.

What they can do to stave this off is having like a weekly cooldown on the exp given for any story quest. If people don't have problems with solo players spamming dungeons slowly with trusts to get tomestones, they surely wouldn't have an issue with people clicking Alphinaud for five hours once a week for exp.

[Fynlar]

Okay, sure. Fine. But for, you know, a lot of people who play this game specifically, we like to have it on one character. To see it all filled out eventually maybe. That's what's great about it. It's not WoW where you HAVE to make 15 characters to experience all of the classes etc. You make one character and that's all you really have to do. That's one of the great things about this game.

The one problem is how soul-destroying it can be to level a new job sometimes. Like I said before; you can only do PoTD and HoH, the same low level dungeons back to back, so many times before you have to just...not do that anymore. FATES are dead, so that's not REALLY viable, so that leaves leves, which aren't terrible, sure. But, if I had a DREAM way to level, it'd either be through MSQ on a new job (same character) or make FATES relevant again. Because that was seriously so much fun back in ARR with everyone running around. The world felt more alive, I guess. But that's not what this post is about.

I don't think it's unreasonable to expect EXP for doing QUESTS, is ultimately what I'm getting at. Any video game gives it for quests. Especially MMO's. So... I don't think it should be an issue.

If you don't see an issue with easily and freely spammable, higher-than-normal-EXP quests you've already completed before that mostly comprise of [go here > talk to one or two people and spam some dialogue / skip a cs or two that you've already seen before > quest completed], I'm glad that SE is the one in charge of the game and not you.

Leveling is already piss easy in this game, but that doesn't mean it needs to become downright insulting.

[AngelCheese77]

I haven't decided yet. I might wait until they bring in the ARR parts to go through with a different class I like.

[Nulien]

I think that if they did enable xp for New Game+, they'd nerf the amount it gave so that it wouldn't be too easy (or exploitable) a method to level. The MSQ quests weren't originally intended to be repeatable... the xp they gave was to help someone keep their level up as they went through on their main job, and leveling alt jobs was always meant to be done in other ways.

And as Fynlar says, leveling is already extremely easy in this game as it is... with dungeons giving about a third of a level even in the 70s, with +30% xp accessories for 1-70, PotD and HoH being even faster options, I don't see a need for an even easier option than what we already have access to.

[SerLuke]

If I do something in a video game, especially an MMO, I expect a return. EXP at the very least. It's an MMO. If you do a QUEST, you get exp. That's how this has ALWAYS

You’ve already done the quest and gotten the exp

[Nulien]

Perhaps it would be okay for them to give xp if they gave a slightly reduced amount, and only allowed each quest to give xp for each job once only, and doing it subsequent times on the same job would give no xp. That would be a lot more saved progress for it to keep track of than it currently does though.