NG+

[Nicodemus_Mercy]

Does there really need to be something else?

For the time and resources invested in making the system, I'd wager that SE would like a certain return on that investment, i.e. a lot of players engaging with NG+. Without an incentive, there will be fewer people interested. If too few partake in NG+ then that investment ends up being time and money wasted.

[KitingGenbu]

Is anyone really going to use this?

I never really understood the mindset of people that ask stuff like this, or maybe I do and don't want to think how egotistical some people can be. There are several that make alts in this game for the sole reason of replaying the story (I recommend playing the story as a lala if you haven't, its a good laugh).

In terms of development, this isn't realistically wasting resources since the team admitted that they are revamping the ARR story experience as well, so its pretty much just giving people something minor as they are working on something bigger at the same time.

Just because there's something that people don't personally interact with/feel is necessary, doesn't mean it shouldn't be added, especially if the team isn't sacrificing something 'bigger' for it like a dungeon delay etc.

[Fynlar]

I wasn't going to use it anyway because I'd rather just use another character, but I never once expected we would get EXP or any other reward from this and it still boggles my mind that anyone else thought otherwise.

[SeraphStray]

I never really understood the mindset of people that ask stuff like this, or maybe I do and don't want to think how egotistical some people can be.

Ah, the personal attack. That didn't take long.

If I do something in a video game, especially an MMO, I expect a return. EXP at the very least. It's an MMO. If you do a QUEST, you get exp. That's how this has ALWAYS worked.

On top of that, there are way too many other things to do. Not only from a life perspective, but from a gaming perspective as well. There are other games that reward you for spending your time in their game. And I'm NOT saying FFXIV doesn't. I'm saying this one specific thing doesn't, and it absolutely should. Why wouldn't anyone want another way to level?

I understand that sure, some people want to go back through the story and take screenshots, and I'm happy for those people that they get to do that with all of the different resources (gpose etc) that we have now. But that's a minority, I'm sure. I know there are a lot of people like me that didn't know there wouldn't be exp for doing several QUESTS, and were excited at the prospect of a different way to level other jobs. Because, let's be real - you can only do PoTD, HoH etc so much. I love doing quests. It gives me something to read and different settings. I'm not alone here.

I wasn't going to use it anyway because I'd rather just use another character, but I never once expected we would get EXP or any other reward from this and it still boggles my mind that anyone else thought otherwise.

Okay, sure. Fine. But for, you know, a lot of people who play this game specifically, we like to have it on one character. To see it all filled out eventually maybe. That's what's great about it. It's not WoW where you HAVE to make 15 characters to experience all of the classes etc. You make one character and that's all you really have to do. That's one of the great things about this game.

The one problem is how soul-destroying it can be to level a new job sometimes. Like I said before; you can only do PoTD and HoH, the same low level dungeons back to back, so many times before you have to just...not do that anymore. FATES are dead, so that's not REALLY viable, so that leaves leves, which aren't terrible, sure. But, if I had a DREAM way to level, it'd either be through MSQ on a new job (same character) or make FATES relevant again. Because that was seriously so much fun back in ARR with everyone running around. The world felt more alive, I guess. But that's not what this post is about.

I don't think it's unreasonable to expect EXP for doing QUESTS, is ultimately what I'm getting at. Any video game gives it for quests. Especially MMO's. So... I don't think it should be an issue.

[ForteNightshade]

If I do something in a video game, especially an MMO, I expect a return. EXP at the very least. It's an MMO. If you do a QUEST, you get exp. That's how this has ALWAYS worked.

On top of that, there are way too many other things to do. Not only from a life perspective, but from a gaming perspective as well. There are other games that reward you for spending your time in their game. And I'm NOT saying FFXIV doesn't. I'm saying this one specific thing doesn't, and it absolutely should. Why wouldn't anyone want another way to level?

I understand that sure, some people want to go back through the story and take screenshots, and I'm happy for those people that they get to do that with all of the different resources (gpose etc) that we have now. But that's a minority, I'm sure. I know there are a lot of people like me that didn't know there wouldn't be exp for doing several QUESTS, and were excited at the prospect of a different way to level other jobs. Because, let's be real - you can only do PoTD, HoH etc so much. I love doing quests. It gives me something to read and different settings. I'm not alone here.

The return/reward is being able to experience the story a second or third time without having to spend $50 or hundreds of hours grinding through upwards of two expansions alongside the base game if you simply wanted to redo Shadowbringers.

You keep dismissing this as a tangible reward, which says this feature was never intended for you. Not everything needs or even should cater to everyone. Ultimate, for example, has one specific target demographic in mind. Neither were intended for more than the small amount of people they were always going to attract. Most games with a NG+ feature are single player, which allows for multiple endings or to make your character comically overpowered. I've been playing Mass Effect 3 and its NG+ doesn't offer anything different except I can upgrade my weapon modifiers beyond level V and start at level 60 as opposed to 30. For those unfamiliar with that game, this turns you (Shepard) is an absolute beast even on the highest difficulty. The game is not balanced for Shepard with level X weapon mods.

They obviously can't do things like this in a MMO nor is there any reason to. The quests are already easy.

Another factor to consider is how easily exploitable EXP would be. Last I calculated, you could net 12M EXP doing just the first twenty quests. As there is no battles during that portion of the story, you have access to mounts and teleports, it would take a half hour tops just skipping every cut scene then restarting NG+ to do it again. This effectively turns NG+ into the best leveling method without question.

I don't think it's unreasonable to expect EXP for doing QUESTS, is ultimately what I'm getting at. Any video game gives it for quests. Especially MMO's. So... I don't think it should be an issue.

You got that experience. This is you doing them a second time and expected to be rewarded twice. Once again, if the story was not enough of a draw then NG+ was never intended for you. It exists solely for people who want to experience the story and not have to go through the aforementioned hoops. That's it.

[Enla]

People have been asking for this for years so, yes, people are going to be doing it even if it doesn't provide any reward. I'd much rather be able to jump into the MSQ I want to relive on an existing character rather than have to slog through it again on a new one.

[Andevom]

NG+ giving EXP sounds like a huge exploit for redoing scenario quests to gain levels. You could just keep doing easy "go here, talk to this NPC" quests over and over to get free EXP, which would be pretty cheesy.

In terms of using it, huge *yes* for me. This is a fantastic way to enjoy an entire expansion's worth of story content as at fast a pace as you want, and I haven't played through the previous expansions' quests in years.

[TheMightyMollusk]

I might've been more interested with EXP, but then again, I only have one job left to level anyway.

I'll probably go through Heavensward again at some point, at the least, but I've got enough other stuff to play right now that it's not a priority.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Since mine is a legacy character with the special story flags, I have no desire to play through on a new character. I am waiting for the 2.x story to be added, and then I will be going back through the entire story with my character. I am definitely looking forward to it, it's been years since I last went through.

[REPROBEAN_CHILD]

Some MSQ are literally composed to talking to four npcs, picking up an object, and thats it. 300,000 exp. Doing it four times would be about 1,200,000 of free exp That's a really lousy way to level a job. SE probably knew some players would exploit NG+ to power jobs lvl to 80 with little effort. It's less of a "waste of time" and more of SE thinking smart