How SE is alienating talented players

[Buddhsie]

We've done just as many runs, had only decent luck (12 ish drops so far), but I think everyone in my linkshell really enjoys it. We enjoy being together as a group mucking around in the dungeons, mixing it up, joking around on vent, all of it (anywhere between 6 and 16 hours a day since patch). It's the thrill of finally getting some nice gear for our members that keeps us going. I think earlier today we agreed that this patch has been the most fun we've had playing for a very long time.

Edit:
viion: We were also just discussing it today after one of our guys watched a video of the dungeons on youtube. We do that shit so differently to other shells out there, and I do say much better

[fusional]

Just because you went and played it doesnt mean you're more experience in it than someone else.

yeah man, people with 10 years of experience in a field don't have 10 more years of experience than someone without experience. totally.

[KiraAmane]

Hah mumble talk, and getting someone drops are the only things keeping me at it lol. I can only imagine stale talk/no talk and doing this. /wrists if that was the case lol. Grats on the full DD set btw Buddhsie!

[Matsume]

You do 25-30 runs in the last day and half and wonder why you are fed up...

Random is random and bad luck is bad luck.. keep trying though.

I agree with Madruk gives us better drop rates and longer lock outs.

This. 100%.

I hate to say it but it's true, you got struck with the bad luck stick.

But it's no wonder you are burnt out on the dungeons after spamming them for 15-20 hours straight.

It's no different than Ifrit, some people will get their first weapon after 50-100 kills, some will get their first weapon on first kill. some will get 7/7 in under 100 wins, others will get 7/7 after 300 kills.

To be honest, if most players don't have full darklight set by the time 1.22 goes live (one month away) I will consider these two dungeons successful. Why? because end ame content shouldn't be done the first day, first week, or first month after their implementation.

This is SE's response to players who rush through content the day after implementation then QQ on the forums for two months til next patch comes out for lack of content.

That being said, I saw my first Darklight (breeches) drop last night and I've killed Mistress less than 10 times. Nonetheless, we took her down with 35:01 minutes left and for some reason only got 3/5 chests but darklight breeches was in one of them.

Lady luck can make cowards of even the most hardcore players.

[Buddhsie]

Yeah, we have some great conversations distracting the crap out of people during runs. And thanks, but only 3/4 so far Our LS has yet to see gauntlets! (Along with any Heavy gear at all /sadface ;

[Matsume]

Drop rates are only too low when you cannot reasonably obtain them and get use of them in the time that the drops are relevant.

What do you think is replacing this stuff anytime soon, likely nothing in the next few patches. So suck it up, and realize this content is not meant to be zerged in a week but last you until they have more itemization.

My god you people are a bunch of a whiners, we finally get ANY ARMOR that is actually worth getting, and you whine and moan that it takes too long to get. Enjoy having something to actually look forward to in itemization, and be thankful maybe that you don't have to deal with stupid personal loot lists.

When they introduce content that has other items, or at least get close to releasing it, I'm sure they'll increase the drop rate significantly.

Until then maybe be a little glad you have something to do until 2.0 other than a Garuda primal fight and the legatus battle... Hell I would have appreciated having relevant gear from the roaming NM's from the day they were added until NOW. That would have given endgame shells sooooooooooo much more to do rather than ONE thing a patch.

Put a sock in it, you are obnoxious and no one cares that you can't get all the gear you want in two weeks.

Or you know what buy it on the MW with all that gil I'm sure you have saved up if you really play 14 hours+ a day, and spare us all the headache of listening to you bitch. Go do farming parties or something instead of dungeon and leave it to people who can actually do endgame content without having a conniption fit because "waaaaaaaaah we didn't get what we wanted".

lul /10char

[Headseed]

Simple solution, add a difficulty option, thus the higher difficulty the higher drop rates. Now, skill will help with getting better drops...

Personally I haven't been a fan of Speed Runs, I'd rather have each battle be tough.
1 Star = 4 Man
2 Star = 8 Man
3 Star = 8 Man (Diff + 1)
4 Star = 8 Man (Diff + 2)
5 Star = 8 Man (Diff + 3)

Just like with leve difficulty. The dungeons could have this option. Now, this is just my opinion. But with the difficulty change, you could remove the time limit, but still design the dungeons to be explored, and completed in about an hour. Increasing the difficulty increases the mob levels, as well as perhaps placement of chests, and throws some other conditions on the party. But again, opens you up to better drop rates.

This +1

Great Idea

[Murugan]

First of all, triple melded armor is superior to the Heavy Darklight Gear. We've gone over the stats and benefits, and triple melded Sentinel Boots + Figthers Breechers >> Heavy Darklight Flancguard (yes, I have triple melded Sentinel Gear). Similarly, a case can be stated for helm+chest piece etc. The DD gear is pretty sexy though. Regardless, to say the gear is actually worth getting, sadly is not necessarily true. We are merely trying to obtain it, because it is the only thing to do in the game.

Second of all, no one is whining here. At all. In fact, I started by saying it was NOT a qq post, but a zzz post implying boredom and apathy, rather than whining. So please learn to read before throwing out rash generalizations about those posting.

And I am glad you are slowly working your way through the game, hoping to get gear. I wish you luck getting full sets of DL gear going about at a snails pace. But let's be clear: the only obnoxious thing here is people like you who haven't put in the time, and who have not suffered the time sinks and yet have the gall to post about us raiding linkshells.

And no I do not play 14+ hours a day. I actually study a lot and have a life. Once again people (i.e. YOU) need to read. I mentioned that we decided to go extremely hardcore this weekend given our free time. Why would I go form farming parties when as an End-Game LS all there is to do is AV/CC?

Honestly, I fail to understand why you bothered to post in this thread at all. It would've been fun if you trolled, but in reality, you really only gave us your opinion which, if you read the thread title, I did not ask for.

With regards to Viion, if you followed the dungeon thread, I was a big advocate for intricate, well designed, exploration dungeons. In fact, I honestly don't know where or why you started posting negatively to the thread. If anything, my thread was intended to call for proper dungeon design and to get rid of the silly drop rates. i.e. Bigger dungeon, more exploration, more bosses, progressive drops etc.

I love how "triple melded" crafted armor has all the stats of the following gear, and then some making it already useless and not worth getting:

Darklight Eyepatch
Darklight Corselet
Darklight Caligae
Darklight Boots
Blessed Ring
The earrings
The necklaces
Aubriest's Whisper
Heavy Darklight Gauntlets
Darklight Helm
Darklight Cowl


So you know... don't get it then since it is obviously all crap.

I'm gonna get it I guess, because well I think you maybe you might be off a little in your comparison.

Dzamael Darkhold's gear was pretty useless (at least until we could turn it in for GC points). Unless they add some really amazing new materia to a bunch of slots in 1.21a, I'm gonna go with many of the above items.

Here's the deal some of us at endgame enjoy rare drops, rather than make threads about how we played 14 hours and didn't get a drop we wanted

and who has ever heard of such a thing in an MMO!! The horror, I could never imagine playing a game for 14 hours did you almost die??? Do you have a 14 hour live stream recording I could watch, or could you at least please go into detail about your preparation for all of this so that I may learn about your grueling training regimen to accomplish such a herculean feat! Clearly you are some kind of god, please teach me your secrets because I could never accomplish such a feat!!!!! I have certainly never played an MMO or any game for over 12 hours on a weekend, I could only dream of such a feat. Unless I was between the ages of 4 and 80 I guess and had the physical stamina to sit upright in a chair for extended periods of time.

what we actually generally do instead of posting this thread is we join this thing called an endgame LS to solve the problem of rare loot. Then that endgame LS works together to get everyone in the linkshell the gear they want and distribute it as fast and fairly as they can.

It's just something we figured out over a decade ago, and I guess our thinking was that this was a better use of our time than starting a movement to show how unfairly we were being treated at the hands of the developers of a video game we played for fun. But no, now I'm sure you are right. You totally deserved those drops. This is a travesty of the highest order!!! SE should be ashamed of themselves, this is 2012 things are different you see, in today's world we have an iPhone that talks to us, and KiriAmane is an extremely important player who demands he/she stops being so clearly alienated for not getting the specific drop that he/she wanted.

I'll sign your petition to get you your gear post haste!

I am so very sorry for my original post, I didn't understand the important difference between a "QQ" and a "zzzzz" thread. I am so glad you have set me straight on that issue.

[Roaran]

Simply stated, the game rewards time invested as opposed to merit. So when you compare a noob or an 'elite', the noob can simply invest more time and gain better rewards.

The 'elite' still have the advantage of making more effecient use of their time, but the difference is still mitigated by the implementation of the systems themselves.

My advice to SE is to switch the whole equation around and reward merit as opposed to how much time you've invested.

SE will likely not do this however... as the raids themselves are not particularly enjoyable, but the goal of obtaining the rewards is something to be sought after. The accomplishment is always in obtaining the rewards and rarely ever in actually overcoming the challenge.

Really it is a stupid system and the only reasonable reason why such an implementation has been made is to make their content last longer. Which itself is telling and its effect upon players noticeable.

[Matsume]

Here's the deal some of us at endgame enjoy rare drops, rather than make threads about how we played 14 hours and didn't get a drop we wanted

and who has ever heard of such a thing in an MMO!! The horror, I could never imagine playing a game for 14 hours did you almost die??? Do you have a 14 hour live stream recording I could watch, or could you at least please go into detail about your preparation for all of this so that I may learn about your grueling training regimen to accomplish such a herculean feat! Clearly you are some kind of god, please teach me your secrets because I could never accomplish such a feat!!!!! I have certainly never played an MMO or any game for over 12 hours on a weekend, I could only dream of such a feat. Unless I was between the ages of 4 and 80 I guess and had the physical stamina to sit upright in a chair for extended periods of time.

what we actually generally do instead of posting this thread is we join this thing called an endgame LS to solve the problem of rare loot. Then that endgame LS works together to get everyone in the linkshell the gear they want and distribute it as fast and fairly as they can.

It's just something we figured out over a decade ago, and I guess our thinking was that this was a better use of our time than starting a movement to show how unfairly we were being treated at the hands of the developers of a video game we played for fun. But no, now I'm sure you are right. You totally deserved those drops. This is a travesty of the highest order!!! SE should be ashamed of themselves, this is 2012 things are different you see, in today's world we have an iPhone that talks to us, and KiriAmane is an extremely important player who demands he/she stops being so clearly alienated for not getting the specific drop that he/she wanted.

I'll sign your petition to get you your gear post haste!

I am so very sorry for my original post, I didn't understand the important difference between a "QQ" and a "zzzzz" thread. I am so glad you have set me straight on that issue.

O_O

*Puts popcorn in the microwave*

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