How SE is alienating talented players

[viion]

You haven't done speeds run for either CC or AV. Infact, you haven't even cleared the dungeons yet but you will sit in here acting like you know what your talking about. I'm not saying speed runs are the hardest thing ever but to say they require zero skill coming from someone who hasn't done shit in the game is just funny. Don't worry, maybe doctor mog will hold your hand through the dungeons after server merge.

So what if I haven't? Does everyone who hail abuse when watching sports have an invalid opinion because they dont play in the big leagues? No of course not, they do have an opinion. I dont need to do it to have an opinion on it.

[Tricksy]

The answer to the poster's first post. SE makes you think you're gonna get something grand out of a quest that has required cooldown times but have to repeat several times to actually get it. Here's a formula you'll understand:

More time spent trying to get something that might not even be there = $$$$$$$ in subscription fees.

While I agree the longer they can keep us playing the happier they are. I think there is a vaque no mans land between "too long" and long enough to make exclusive item worth attaining. In fact the two are in direct correlation.

Long time to acheive goal= Most exclusive goal
Short time to achieve goal= Less exclusive goal

Personally, I like things hardcore. The harder, either mechanically or via a silly uber-bad drop rate time sink, the better. Even though Im not busting my arse to get these elusive items/achievements and Im taking my time. When I do get them; I want to feel as special as possible in comparison to my peers.

If everything in the game is as easy as getting to lvl 50, why play the game?

I once read someone say "If you are rushing through the game to get to the end and log out, then why are you playing". The point of the game is to be logged in and to be having fun.

SE's goal should be the opposite of the Fatigue system, and their caution pop-up when we log in. SE should want us logged in and having a good time. I think they need to work on giving us reasons to stay logged in.

Speed runs are an interesting dynamic. Once you have done the run a few times, you will be ready for speed runs and be able to possibly attain the best loot. Part of the problem is low populations and cliquely ls's keep experienced dungeon goers from mingling and playing with others who might be newer.

Although I like that they are keeping some things hardcore. I can see them making it all a lot easier when 2.0 comes out. Its too bad. Having certain pieces of gear in FF11 like Vermillions Cloak at one point, was so impressive. SE has shown with FF11 that they are more than willing to dumb things down and increase drop rates, they just won't currently, to keep all of us masochists playing.

[Murugan]

Drop rates are only too low when you cannot reasonably obtain them and get use of them in the time that the drops are relevant.

What do you think is replacing this stuff anytime soon, likely nothing in the next few patches. So suck it up, and realize this content is not meant to be zerged in a week but last you until they have more itemization.

My god you people are a bunch of a whiners, we finally get ANY ARMOR that is actually worth getting, and you whine and moan that it takes too long to get. Enjoy having something to actually look forward to in itemization, and be thankful maybe that you don't have to deal with stupid personal loot lists.

When they introduce content that has other items, or at least get close to releasing it, I'm sure they'll increase the drop rate significantly.

Until then maybe be a little glad you have something to do until 2.0 other than a Garuda primal fight and the legatus battle... Hell I would have appreciated having relevant gear from the roaming NM's from the day they were added until NOW. That would have given endgame shells sooooooooooo much more to do rather than ONE thing a patch.

Put a sock in it, you are obnoxious and no one cares that you can't get all the gear you want in two weeks.

Or you know what buy it on the MW with all that gil I'm sure you have saved up if you really play 14 hours+ a day, and spare us all the headache of listening to you bitch. Go do farming parties or something instead of dungeon and leave it to people who can actually do endgame content without having a conniption fit because "waaaaaaaaah we didn't get what we wanted".

[Jenday]

longer lockouts and higher drop rates, which to be honest at this point I'd rather have.

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[KiraAmane]

Drop rates are only too low when you cannot reasonably obtain them and get use of them in the time that the drops are relevant.

What do you think is replacing this stuff anytime soon, likely nothing in the next few patches. So suck it up, and realize this content is not meant to be zerged in a week but last you until they have more itemization.

My god you people are a bunch of a whiners, we finally get ANY ARMOR that is actually worth getting, and you whine and moan that it takes too long to get. Enjoy having something to actually look forward to in itemization, and be thankful maybe that you don't have to deal with stupid personal loot lists.

When they introduce content that has other items, or at least get close to releasing it, I'm sure they'll increase the drop rate significantly.

Until then maybe be a little glad you have something to do until 2.0 other than a Garuda primal fight and the legatus battle... Hell I would have appreciated having relevant gear from the roaming NM's from the day they were added until NOW. That would have given endgame shells sooooooooooo much more to do rather than ONE thing a patch.

Put a sock in it, you are obnoxious and no one cares that you can't get all the gear you want in two weeks.

Or you know what buy it on the MW with all that gil I'm sure you have saved up if you really play 14 hours+ a day, and spare us all the headache of listening to you bitch. Go do farming parties or something instead of dungeon and leave it to people who can actually do endgame content without having a conniption fit because "waaaaaaaaah we didn't get what we wanted".

First of all, triple melded armor is superior to the Heavy Darklight Gear. We've gone over the stats and benefits, and triple melded Sentinel Boots + Figthers Breechers >> Heavy Darklight Flancguard (yes, I have triple melded Sentinel Gear). Similarly, a case can be stated for helm+chest piece etc. The DD gear is pretty sexy though. Regardless, to say the gear is actually worth getting, sadly is not necessarily true. We are merely trying to obtain it, because it is the only thing to do in the game.

Second of all, no one is whining here. At all. In fact, I started by saying it was NOT a qq post, but a zzz post implying boredom and apathy, rather than whining. So please learn to read before throwing out rash generalizations about those posting.

And I am glad you are slowly working your way through the game, hoping to get gear. I wish you luck getting full sets of DL gear going about at a snails pace. But let's be clear: the only obnoxious thing here is people like you who haven't put in the time, and who have not suffered the time sinks and yet have the gall to post about us raiding linkshells.

And no I do not play 14+ hours a day. I actually study a lot and have a life. Once again people (i.e. YOU) need to read. I mentioned that we decided to go extremely hardcore this weekend given our free time. Why would I go form farming parties when as an End-Game LS all there is to do is AV/CC?

Honestly, I fail to understand why you bothered to post in this thread at all. It would've been fun if you trolled, but in reality, you really only gave us your opinion which, if you read the thread title, I did not ask for.

With regards to Viion, if you followed the dungeon thread, I was a big advocate for intricate, well designed, exploration dungeons. In fact, I honestly don't know where or why you started posting negatively to the thread. If anything, my thread was intended to call for proper dungeon design and to get rid of the silly drop rates. i.e. Bigger dungeon, more exploration, more bosses, progressive drops etc.

[viion]

With regards to Viion, if you followed the dungeon thread, I was a big advocate for intricate, well designed, exploration dungeons. In fact, I honestly don't know where or why you started posting negatively to the thread. If anything, my thread was intended to call for proper dungeon design and to get rid of the silly drop rates. i.e. Bigger dungeon, more exploration, more bosses, progressive drops etc.

If that is the case I completely misunderstood the purpose and read it wrong, I apologise.

It seemed to me the main focus was: Drop rates being low for those who speed run, with the attitude of wanting higher drop rates as a reward to speed run the dungeon.

[KiraAmane]

If that is the case I completely misunderstood the purpose and read it wrong, I apologise.

It seemed to me the main focus was: Drop rates being low for those who speed run, with the attitude of wanting higher drop rates as a reward to speed run the dungeon.

I think I wrote it thinking people read the other threads I posted in lol. I guess I am somewhat unhappy with the structure of the drop rate. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't, however the problem truly stems from the design of the dungeons. Which I believe we agree upon. Anyways, time to respond to this other guy more lol.

[morpheus]

So what if I haven't? Does everyone who hail abuse when watching sports have an invalid opinion because they dont play in the big leagues? No of course not, they do have an opinion. I dont need to do it to have an opinion on it.

Don't turn this into "I can have an opinion too" type crap. Fact is you haven't done the dungeons yet but you are forming opinions off of no knowledge whats so ever. You truly have no idea how these dungeons work but yet you still come in and crap all over of them. 3000+ post??? Maybe you should spend less time flooding the forums with nonstop crap and more time playing the game so you know what you are talking about.

[Wirritosama]

No dark light gear, We're being alienated!

[viion]

Don't turn this into "I can have an opinion too" type crap. Fact is you haven't done the dungeons yet but you are forming opinions off of no knowledge whats so ever. You truly have no idea how these dungeons work but yet you still come in and crap all over of them. 3000+ post??? Maybe you should spend less time flooding the forums with nonstop crap and more time playing the game so you know what you are talking about.

So sad, I have all the knowledge I need to know how it works. I know about everything there is to know. I dont need to play it. You playing it, is just "Watching the screen and seeing it happen" hey guess what! I did that too. I watched streams and countless youtube videos, know all the strategies (or strategy more like it lol) people are using.

Just because you went and played it doesnt mean you're more experience in it than someone else. Could be you just suck and dont comprehend common sense as obvious as others. Also comes down to the individual. =)