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  1. #11
    Player
    CKNovel's Avatar
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    Cassia Kaedhan
    World
    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by pandabearcat View Post
    MCH is doing the best of the three ranged.

    Remember you're not competing with a BLM for a spot, you're competing with DNC and BRD. And...winning I guess.

    Top speedrun memes aside, a balanced party comp should have one dps of every role, and so MCH has a pretty solid spot. You're not gonna "lose" your spot, and if you do, you don't really want to be in that raid group anyway.

    That said, ranged aren't doing too great. They either need to make a fight that is movement 100% of the time to make ranged shine, or they need to get off their "but ranged have lower dps because they don't lose uptime". Because if at 100% uptime I do worse than a BLM with 90% uptime, but every fight they can do 95% uptime, then we have a problem, and the class advantage isn't actually an advantage.
    It's a bit early to draw conclusion too soon but ranged spot might be competing with the SMN for a spot.
    So far many believes that SMN damages are way above the other jobs, even BLM and SAM.
    If this is true, the ranged spot could be in a worse position compared to 5.0. Compete against a mage job with extremely high mobility and utility, including a resurection.
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  2. #12
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    Adventica6's Avatar
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    Character
    Lost Tales
    World
    Diabolos
    Main Class
    Machinist Lv 80
    I haven't ran into a smn in months, doubt we will be competing against them for anything. I believe Mch is in a good spot and I'm not worries that the clunkfest job got a few buffs.
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  3. #13
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    Rika007's Avatar
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    Character
    Rika Lockhart
    World
    Coeurl
    Main Class
    Bard Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Adventica6 View Post
    I haven't ran into a smn in months, doubt we will be competing against them for anything. I believe Mch is in a good spot and I'm not worries that the clunkfest job got a few buffs.
    You haven't ran into a SMN in months because the job was legitimately almost unplayable. But the 'buffs' they got this week fixed that and also made them far stronger. They very easily make up for the 1% role bonus of not bringing a physical ranged, but also bring far more utility then the best physical ranged with a combat Rez, an on call shield for prog with Titan, and a party wide damage buff with devotion. It is 100% a concern.
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  4. #14
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    Character
    Narumi Akiudo
    World
    Alpha
    Main Class
    Bard Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Rika007 View Post
    You haven't ran into a SMN in months because the job was legitimately almost unplayable. But the 'buffs' they got this week fixed that and also made them far stronger. They very easily make up for the 1% role bonus of not bringing a physical ranged, but also bring far more utility then the best physical ranged with a combat Rez, an on call shield for prog with Titan, and a party wide damage buff with devotion. It is 100% a concern.
    theres also the point that the role bonus pretty clearly is designed in a "this is the reason why no matter what, you most definitely will want one of every role" way, yet the difference in dps is so big its more like "this is the reason you might take a physical range with you... maybe...please?"
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  5. #15
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    Character
    Rika Lockhart
    World
    Coeurl
    Main Class
    Bard Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Akiudo View Post
    theres also the point that the role bonus pretty clearly is designed in a "this is the reason why no matter what, you most definitely will want one of every role" way, yet the difference in dps is so big its more like "this is the reason you might take a physical range with you... maybe...please?"
    When you consider that the gap even at the median percentages between the ranged physical DPS and the upper level melee and casters is over 1.5K DPS, and it get's even bigger the higher up you go, you start thinking that really the only thing keep the ranged DPS around is really for speed Dancer parses and progression because of the physical DPS defensive abilities. What's even more concerning is the way damage works in this game due gear upgrades. With crit scaling, the game is normally in it's most balanced state at the beginning of an expansion and then the upper level jobs start widening the gap the deeper we get into it.
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  6. #16
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    Character
    Okami Amaterasuu
    World
    Faerie
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 100
    At the moment ranged dps is the weakest role, even RDM does more than Machinist, at least going by the parses uploaded since 5.1 hit.

    The buffs are nice but it seems everything else got even better buffs that left ranged in the dust.
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