5.1 Crafting Feedback Thread

[Nicodemus_Mercy]

So far I am comfortable with the 5.1 changes. While I do feel that Hasty Touch, Rapid Synthesis, and Patient Touch should have their success chances boosted by 30% to make up for the loss of Steady Hand, I am fine not using them at all. It just seems a shame that they exist to only be used in desperate situations right now.

It does feel strange that the only benefits to being a Specialist are extra stats and a single specialist skill. With that said, while I feel that Careful Observation is a niche skill right now (that could change in the near future), it is useful for it's likely intended to be used for, i.e. skipping "poor" states without losing vital buffs like Great Strides, or fishing for good/excellent procs for a beefy Byregot's or for extra CP.

I feel fine with the removal of cross class skills since every crafting job has essentially the same skills now.

I'm not certain under what circumstances I'd use Name of the Elements and Brand of the Elements over say Observe/Focused Synthesis. Mayhap it is simply intended to be used at lower levels and then outgrown?

I do like that I can actually use Precise Touch and Intensive Synthesis now that they are 100% success rate. Prior to 5.1 I almost never touched them because the procs would happen when Steady Hand wasn't up or it would waste buffs. At least now if I am in a situation where I have a good/excellent proc with no buffs up I can actually hit one of those skills without rolling the dice and possibly losing both the proc and durability for nothing.

Ultimately, I am not unhappy with 5.1 crafting right now. That could change when we see how Ishgard and 3star and 4star recipes are.

[Orbus]

While I do feel that Hasty Touch, Rapid Synthesis, and Patient Touch should have their success chances boosted by 30% to make up for the loss of Steady Hand, I am fine not using them at all. It just seems a shame that they exist to only be used in desperate situations right now.

On the other hand it could also be said that it's pretty bizarre that two mid tier culinarian skills made up the basis for all of crafting leveling up to lv50 for every single crafting job.
You really couldn't understand how important hasty was until you got it, it's like you didn't even really unlock crafting until you get the hasty/steady2 combo.
It's because the default touch skills are so cp inefficient, along with basic having the awful 30% failure rate paired with that 18 cp cost, that they're laughably bad.

They've brought up the success rate of most of the skills so hasty going in the bin doesn't bother me, but rip rapid synth 2.
I know the rapid synth skills don't get much love, but I liked them for, well.... rapid synthing.

[Nicodemus_Mercy]

On the other hand it could also be said that it's pretty bizarre that two mid tier culinarian skills made up the basis for all of crafting leveling up to lv50 for every single crafting job.
You really couldn't understand how important hasty was until you got it, it's like you didn't even really unlock crafting until you get the hasty/steady2 combo.
It's because the default touch skills are so cp inefficient, along with basic having the awful 30% failure rate paired with that 18 cp cost, that they're laughably bad.

They've brought up the success rate of most of the skills so hasty going in the bin doesn't bother me, but rip rapid synth 2.
I know the rapid synth skills don't get much love, but I liked them for, well.... rapid synthing.

I can agree with you on missing Rapid Synthesis II & III, they were niche skills but I did use them when I wanted to complete a craft quickly and a failure wouldn't cost me the craft.

[Hasrat]

I disagree with buffing Hasty/Rapid up to 80%. As a base chance, for what the skills are intended to be, that feels too powerful. I know, we've got nothing to buff them as is, but still. They're meant to be a gamble. 20% failure doesn't seem like enough risk vs reward. I'd say 70% success is closer to what I would feel should be reasonable.

Everyone talking about how this changes/affects end game crafting. Personally, I'm kinda more interested in how it shifts leveling. Bit of a shame I can't go back to the start and learn everything as it comes again. Even starting an alt, it's not quite the same, going in with some foreknowledge. I want to know if they've improved at all how intuitive it is to grasp crafting as you level, the uses for each skill, how some skills fit together, etc. Learning and understanding the crafting process (rather than just looking up a macro) was one of my favorite parts of leveling.

[Liam_Harper]

I disagree with buffing Hasty/Rapid up to 80%. As a base chance, for what the skills are intended to be, that feels too powerful. I know, we've got nothing to buff them as is, but still. They're meant to be a gamble. 20% failure doesn't seem like enough risk vs reward. I'd say 70% success is closer to what I would feel should be reasonable.

But they've always been 80% due to Steady? In fact Hasty II and Rapid II and III were 90% under Steady Hand II, so 80% is a nerf to compensate for not needing to spend CP on Steady Hand every 5 uses.

I think 20% fail rate on every touch is plenty of risk. It only takes one or two misses to screw your craft up and fall short of HQ.

[Hasrat]

But they've always been 80% due to Steady? In fact Hasty II and Rapid II and III were 90% under Steady Hand II, so 80% is a nerf to compensate for not needing to spend CP on Steady Hand every 5 uses.

I think 20% fail rate on every touch is plenty of risk. It only takes one or two misses to screw your craft up and fall short of HQ.

Of course they were. With the old system. But this is just about like starting fresh. And in light of the changes made everywhere else, I still hold that I'd find 70% more reasonable than 80%, for a skill you're meant to be very reluctant to use.

[Shadygrove]

But they've always been 80% due to Steady? ...

True. And I didn't use them then either.

[CookiesNCreams]

Well, apparently in 5.1.1 or 5.2, that is when Yoshida will add procs to endgame. Question is, is it Ishgard recipes only or all endgame recipes? Just have to wait till the next live letter for more info.

[Talam]

Personally, I like it so far. Makes my crafting hotbar a lot cleaner and it was fun finding out my own white script crafting macro. All in all, a net positive for me.

I'm leery about procs being a thing for Ishgard restoration crafting UNLESS there is a guaranteed number of procs in the craft. When they show up can be randomized with a range of steps, so you need to plan for them appropriately, know how to bait them out and so on, but it means you're not as beholden to RNGesus to save you.

[rd77]

Feedback? okay, if they do plan to add some value or challenge back to crafting, I hope it will not be Ishgard restoration only. Ishgard restoration in concept is content with begining, middle and end. Once it is restored, we're done and this is back to "complete item 7 of challenge log" or 6.0 rolls out and becomes dead content.

Yes, all speculation so far since the information we have is very very limited on what will happen, but still hope that changes that might come should be planned with 6.x content in mind too, and not just Ishgard.