Thread: 5.1 Crafting Feedback Thread

Originally Posted by Maeka

^^^
This.

I don't really get why, in a game that is 99% co-op, where people feel this need to compete, the need to be "the greatest" or any of that junk.

I just like ticking off checkboxes and throwing them in the "Done" pile without having to grind grind grind grind and work against my fellow player to do so.

The most expensive thing in the game I know of is 50 million gil. Me, the casual player, has 46 million. Can somebody tell me just WHAT you need 70, 80, 100, 500+ million gil for? Seriously, now.

"I can't wave my epeen around and I don't rule the MBs!"

.......good. Maybe average players can enjoy walking up to the MB and actually being able to buy something now.

Nobody “needs” billions or 500+ million of Gil at all. It’s just a fun personal achievement. Who are you or I to criticize the way someone chooses to play the game? Also, I have yet to play an online game where people aren’t competitive in any way shape or form. It’s fun.

also, ARR and HW encouraged hard effort and grinding. which spurred a large amount of competitive hardcore players. (or as you would like to call them, “elitists” lol). so if you want to blame something, blame that. if FFXIV started off with SHB crafting back in ARR, .you wouldn’t even hear of people like us, promise you you wouldn’t. because we wouldn’t play this game, expecting the developers to listen to us, like we unfortunately have been doing the past year or so. but no more. it’s clear which player base they care about now.

just because you personally can’t or refuse to understand someone’s point of view, does not mean you’ve got to be so negative towards them. liam was just being honest, and I personally understand his frustration as an ex-hardcore crafter. but at this point there’s really no need to be upset since the developers don’t care for players like us, just gotta enjoy a different game now. (which i am gladly doing)

Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

If need to rub your accomplishments in the face of others to feel proud of them..then yes you won't get through crafting anymore.

Then why is SE introducing Expert Recipes and Skysteel Tools? Why aren't they sticking to what they'd done the past 2 expansions?

Skysteel Tools sound very much like a way to rub your accomplishments in the face of others. From what SE has said, normal crafters are unlikely to complete the more advanced stages of the tools though we won't know this for certain until they're added to the game and we can start getting into the system.

If true, you're going to have to put up with the hardcore crafters waving their shiny tools in your face.

Originally Posted by Maeka

The vastly inflated MB prices Pre-5.1 was disruptive. You want anything at all, a crafted tool, armor, weapon, you pay tooth and nail for it. 100k, 150k, 200k+ it was simply ridiculous.

Prices at the start of any expansion in any MMO are always inflated. Fewer players have leveled to cap. Fewer players have geared up. Fewer players have had a chance to get a good stockpile of mats collected. You've got fewer players capable of meeting the demand for crafted goods. They have to spend more of their time trying to keep up with demand, and that's time they can't be doing other things they'd also like to do.

It's not disruptive. It's normal.

Considering vendor prices for NQ gear are already into the 40k range, 100-150k for a player crafted HQ item is not outrageous. These items don't magically appear out of thin air unlike the vendor items. It takes time to gather materials. Time to craft the intermediate step materials. Time to make the final item. This isn't WoW's 5 second crafting system.

You want the nicer item that requires someone else's time investment to create, then it's only reasonable that you pay for the other person's time.

Or do it yourself. I doubt you'd be complaining as much about what others charge if you were the one investing the time making the item.

There's always one last option. Go without.

Originally Posted by Jojoya

Then why is SE introducing Expert Recipes and Skysteel Tools? Why aren't they sticking to what they'd done the past 2 expansions?

Skysteel Tools sound very much like a way to rub your accomplishments in the face of others. From what SE has said, normal crafters are unlikely to complete the more advanced stages of the tools though we won't know this for certain until they're added to the game and we can start getting into the system.

If true, you're going to have to put up with the hardcore crafters waving their shiny tools in your face.


Prices at the start of any expansion in any MMO are always inflated. Fewer players have leveled to cap. Fewer players have geared up. Fewer players have had a chance to get a good stockpile of mats collected. You've got fewer players capable of meeting the demand for crafted goods. They have to spend more of their time trying to keep up with demand, and that's time they can't be doing other things they'd also like to do.

It's not disruptive. It's normal.

Considering vendor prices for NQ gear are already into the 40k range, 100-150k for a player crafted HQ item is not outrageous. These items don't magically appear out of thin air unlike the vendor items. It takes time to gather materials. Time to craft the intermediate step materials. Time to make the final item. This isn't WoW's 5 second crafting system.

You want the nicer item that requires someone else's time investment to create, then it's only reasonable that you pay for the other person's time.

Or do it yourself. I doubt you'd be complaining as much about what others charge if you were the one investing the time making the item.

There's always one last option. Go without.

Skytools are crafter versions of Relic weapons. Relic weapons have never at any point impressed me figured out really fast the massive grind is not worth the reward. A dent to the ego when you bust your rear for a weapon just to see someone carrying something almost equal but requires less effort to obtain. Example Tome weapons vs savage weapons As for Expert recipes they rely on a new proc, Soon as theory crafters figure out the system everyone will be doing them. Agree with you on the MB part, One of reasons I craft not fond of paying others for things I can do myself and also enjoy doing.


p.s Putting win10 on my computer tomorrow. May computer nerds everywhere be on my side..lol

Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

p.s Putting win10 on my computer tomorrow. May computer nerds everywhere be on my side..lol

Good luck!

Originally Posted by Maeka

So apparently the Special Site for 5.2 lists "Crafting/Gathering Overhaul" despite the fact they JUST did an Overhaul in 5.1.

This tells me that 5.1 is not final and that they have more adjustments to make, so it could be that a lot of the back-and-forth in this thread is irrelevant as maybe they already have plans to address the concerns with the lack of difficult crafting endgame.

Just as long as they keep the leveling process being relatively easy (like leveling DoM/DoW jobs is), I'm content with 3+ star crafting being hard.

They told us before the expansion started that the changes were going to be rolled out in stages. Making crafting/gathering easier to get into would be first. Adding in more advanced content for those who use crafting/gathering as their primary end game would be second.

Not SE's fault that part of the player base wasn't paying attention to what they were being told and decided that things would be happening differently.

They already told us that Master 3 star crafting isn't going to be hard. They don't want the Master recipe items being the province of the "privileged few". It's going to be the standard difficulty increase that gets offset by the correct overmelds and foods/syrup. People will test rotations in Teamcraft in short order then share their macros online so anyone willing to take the time/gil to overmeld their gear will be able to make them.

It's the new Expert recipes that will be hard, presumably because of the new variable conditions they will have outside of Good/Excellent/Poor that should make macros useless. We'll have to wait for 5.2 to come out so we can see.

I also wouldn't be surprised if there's a final round of action balance adjustments in 5.3 once they get a chance to see how things play out in the hands of players.

Originally Posted by Jojoya

Good luck!


They told us before the expansion started that the changes were going to be rolled out in stages. Making crafting/gathering easier to get into would be first. Adding in more advanced content for those who use crafting/gathering as their primary end game would be second.

Not SE's fault that part of the player base wasn't paying attention to what they were being told and decided that things would be happening differently.

They already told us that Master 3 star crafting isn't going to be hard. They don't want the Master recipe items being the province of the "privileged few". It's going to be the standard difficulty increase that gets offset by the correct overmelds and foods/syrup. People will test rotations in Teamcraft in short order then share their macros online so anyone willing to take the time/gil to overmeld their gear will be able to make them.

It's the new Expert recipes that will be hard, presumably because of the new variable conditions they will have outside of Good/Excellent/Poor that should make macros useless. We'll have to wait for 5.2 to come out so we can see.

I also wouldn't be surprised if there's a final round of action balance adjustments in 5.3 once they get a chance to see how things play out in the hands of players.

I used macro's while leveling stopped soon as I was ready to craft Facet gear. Didn't want to test fate and leave the macro to run my rotation, have found silly things can cause a macro to skip an actions.