Thread: 5.1 Crafting Feedback Thread

On the other hand the rewards are not tradeable, so there probably isn't a whole lot of incentive for botters to obtain them. Or are you suggesting they'd enact some sort of ransom scheme where the bots will dominate the leaderboard unless you pay their owners to make them go away?

Originally Posted by Espritduo

If bots are something we can't do anything about, then they shouldn't be adding competitive, limited content that bots can completely dominate and push everyone else out of. Because that is exactly what is going to happen, on every server, on every data center come 5.2.

It's not that they can't do ANYTHING about bots. It's just that gameplay changes won't do anything about them.

Anything a human can do, a bot can do.

Originally Posted by Callinon

It's not that they can't do ANYTHING about bots. It's just that gameplay changes won't do anything about them.

Anything a human can do, a bot can do.

Yep, pretty much this.

Originally Posted by tdb

Make crafting use a complex set of actions, make it require correct decisions at correct times, but don't make it rely on RNG that can't be mitigated with good planning.

Originally Posted by KageTokage

That is liable to break macros depending on how often they trigger, but lamentably isn't going to faze bots when they can already react to condition changes.

This is kinda what I see, from an outsider standpoint, in this whole argument. Crafters want difficulty. But they also want macros. If you're going to macro something, aren't you already removing what little difficulty there is? And by doing so, are you not demonstrating that you indeed want less difficulty?

Make crafting as difficult as you want, the meta will continue to be "What's the rotation macro so I don't have to put so much effort into this?"

I've only just started poking into the new changes, and only know the 65-70 experience. I'd agree that Prudent Touch certainly makes everything simple. Maybe it's not absolutely necessary. Maybe you could make it artificially difficult if you opted for a different rotation. It may be some time and many changes yet before they can get some sort of Condition system in place that can really give some scaling difficulty or something.

But. More than the RNG/difficulty argument maybe, what might need considering is how difficulty can successfully be implemented alongside macros. I think maybe it can be done, if it's made enough to require some level of reaction. But, at the same time, it'll still be a system that players want to make easier and simpler and just ignore those reaction points and barrel through anyway.

Am I wrong here, tho? Doesn't the idea of making macros defeat difficulty to begin with?

Originally Posted by KageTokage

One of few things they seem incapable of doing is distinguishing tugs because every FSH bot I've seen just reels in literally everything they hook instead of gauging tug time/strength to increase the odds of hooking something desirable.

What would be the benefit of not reeling it in? I mean, won't you lose your bait anyway and have to cast again if you don't respond to the tug? I guess you might save a few seconds of catching animation.

Originally Posted by tdb

What would be the benefit of not reeling it in? I mean, won't you lose your bait anyway and have to cast again if you don't respond to the tug? I guess you might save a few seconds of catching animation.

The benefit is not wasting GP on hookset abilities on the wrong catch. If you're just doing cast/hook/cast/hook/cast/hook then yeah, it doesn't matter.. go nuts. But if you're going for something specific, you're using patience and you're using hooksets and that costs GP.

Originally Posted by Callinon

The benefit is not wasting GP on hookset abilities on the wrong catch. If you're just doing cast/hook/cast/hook/cast/hook then yeah, it doesn't matter.. go nuts. But if you're going for something specific, you're using patience and you're using hooksets and that costs GP.

Right, yes, those. But if a fishing bot is using patience, wouldn't it be doubly bad to not recognize the tug since the wrong hookset just wastes GP without providing any benefit? I've always used patience just for the HQ boost, but I guess the "increases the likelihood of catching larger fish" on patience II counts for something. I don't even remember when I last needed to use mooching to catch something outside of quests, so catching HQ fishes hasn't been hugely important to me.

They can use the correct hookset but they're not selective about what they use it on even if they're after a single specific fish that's huge/medium/small tug only so they waste both time and GP as a consequence.

Predators are probably the best example of how laughably inefficient they are because said fish is both medium tug only and bites quickly so you can know after just a few seconds whether or not you might have one hooked.