Thread: 5.1 Crafting Feedback Thread

Originally Posted by Callinon

It was always easy. It got less complicated. That's not the same thing.

I think a better term is "less tedious".

It was always easy, but there's less hassle and less tedium involved. It's more smooth and streamlined.

Originally Posted by Elamys

Plenty of people craft without using Teamcraft and the simulators. I don't use them because I don't like that website. If it's not fun to you to look up rotations then come back to craft...don't? Crafting is so much simpler now that there is very little "need" to use a simulator or look up a rotation. (Not that you "needed" to do that before.) Crafting is still fun. Actually the great thing is that there can now be multiple ways to complete a craft that are all roughly equal in time investment.

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I'm one of these kinds of players too.

I just wanna log onto the game, and figure crap out for myself, and do my own stuff, DIY style. But the old crafting system was just too tedious, too many buttons involved, and looking up a rotation was near-required because I didn't really feel like sitting down and running all kinds of theorycrafting. I wanna do actual crafting, not theorycrafting. Now, after 5.1, the buttons make sense in what they do, we don't have 5 buttons that all do the same thing, yadda yadda. It has really gotten me to enjoy crafting.

All throughout Stormblood, I never crafted much of anything until the Namazu tribe was added. Then I got everything to Lv70 and.... didn't craft anything.

ShB got released, and I again set it on the back burner with a "... someday" type mentality.

Then 5.1 hit and today I just got the last two on Lv80 and I'm on my way to making Lv80 tools, already got BSM, CRP, and MIN done. I have done... way, WAY more crafting Post-5.1 then I did in the entirety of Heavensward and Stormblood, not counting Beast Tribe quests.

I would say that's a big success, considering Yoshi-P's goal was to get more casual players enjoying the crafting game.

EDIT: Heck, the day 5.1 came out? I did more crafting in that one single day than I did during the entirety of HW and SB, again not counting the beast tribes.

Originally Posted by Elamys

Plenty of people craft without using Teamcraft and the simulators. I don't use them because I don't like that website. If it's not fun to you to look up rotations then come back to craft...don't? Crafting is so much simpler now that there is very little "need" to use a simulator or look up a rotation. (Not that you "needed" to do that before.) Crafting is still fun. Actually the great thing is that there can now be multiple ways to complete a craft that are all roughly equal in time investment.

Very little need for you not everyone else.

Originally Posted by NanaWiloh

Very little need for you not everyone else.

And that's fine. What I'm saying is that if you don't find it fun to go to Teamcraft and look up a rotation then you don't have to.

Originally Posted by Elamys

And that's fine. What I'm saying is that if you don't find it fun to go to Teamcraft and look up a rotation then you don't have to.

Maybe people didn't want to have to go look up a rotation?

It was just over-complicated before. Not hard per se, just a ridiculous amount of number crunching and calculations and all of that. I don't really think that's what average crafting needed to be. I could understand Star-crafting needing that sort of thing, but normal crafting shouldn't need freaking macros. You should be able to just learn a basic rotation and click the buttons yourself without having to go through 30-step processes, worrying about having your numbers just right, etc.

It's like... adding Extreme Primal difficulty to a 4-man MSQ dungeon. It doesn't belong there.

I'm glad they changed it from what it was before so I can just log on and click buttons to craft instead of clicking a macro and go make a sandwich.

Originally Posted by Maeka

Maybe people didn't want to have to go look up a rotation?

I agree with you completely but the person I responded to initially was complaining that crafting "happens on Teamcraft" and that's not the case and has never been the case. You don't need to use Teamcraft if you don't want to. You have never, at any point of crafting in this game, needed to use Teamcraft to be a crafter if you didn't want to.

You have never "needed" to sit down and do calculations or whatever if you didn't want to, you could still figure out a rotation through experimentation and learning how the abilities interacted. I have never used macros and I'm terrible at math but I learned a rotation in Heavensward and then Stormblood through experimentation. It was not the easy route but it was fun for me because I didn't want to just copy someone else's rotation or use a simulator. I hated Rath's rotation and refused to use it, so I made it work. Was it "as good" as Rath's? Maybe not, but I made tons of HQ starred items by the time the expansion ended.

But now, crafting is so simplified that I think very few people should be at a point where they can't make heads or tails of it without the help of a simulator.

If you prefer to use the simulator or use someone else's rotations that is perfectly fine. But if you just don't like the idea of doing that, well, then great! You don't have to, and it's foolish to pretend like crafting is so broken that you "need" an outside website after the changes. It may not be as easy, you'll probably have to invest some gil, but if you just really don't want to use a website or outside tool, then put in the effort and figure out a rotation.

I think people are misunderstanding what I am saying. The changes were very good, but don't complain that you need to use a website to enjoy crafting, because you don't, and never needed to.

Also, even if you do use the simulator, you should know how your abilities interact and what does what anyways even if you use a macro, if you intend on being a very serious crafter.

The teamcraft simulator just to be clear can be used to develope your own rotations. You dont need to use the Rotation solver its completely optional. I see it this way you cannot use it and develope your own rotation while wasting, time,gil and mats. Or use it and develope your own rotation wasting only time while saving gil and mats.