Thread: 5.1 Crafting Feedback Thread

Originally Posted by tidas341

It was so much easier ! You got people who can't do the new rotations! I for one got so use to the old rotations! I'm not sure if I want to continue to play ! Since it changes almost every time I turn around!

Anybody who can't understand how crafting is today, I really REALLY don't know what to say to you.

I picked it up in the matter of a few minutes and I'm about as casual of a crafter as they come.

The problem was/is, a lot of "crafters" were only copying and pasting macros they found online and didn't have much of any understanding as to what the buttons actually did, and got used to not having to do their own reading, research, and thinking and now they are lost and confused because they never understood it to begin with.

But that's ok.

All you need to do is read the tooltips and think about what the game is telling you. Or ask a friend to give you suggestions and pointers.

The macros I had were never used ! I'm not a lazy crafter I did all the stuff on my own ! As for friends there aren't very many know much bout crafting! My connection speed is far too low for the macros that were provided ! I will continue to research the game ! I've almost maxxed out all my most of classes! I will figure out what works or just craft level 70 + gear!

How do I feel about the changes? I agree something had to be done, levelling from 40-50 was an absolute slog and the complexity at endgame was daunting, leading a lot of people to rely on macros made by a few clever people who managed to work it out. However, I think it's too easy now.

The change to levelling-speed will be of huge benefit to raiders and people who simply wanted crafters so they could repair their gear (but surely there were better ways of addressing their needs?).
I don't think the changes will affect very rich crafters much, but I do think they'll be detrimental to people taking up crafting in the hope of making gil. With a huge pool of crafters at max level, easier crafting but very little to sell, I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of people getting to 80 and wondering why they bothered.

I've already seen people on the forums asking for macros for level 50 crafts and upwards, so I don't think the devs will achieve their aim of reducing dependence on them. A lot of people just want to take the easy path, and even with a simplified system, they're not going to start working things out for themselves if they can get someone else to do the work for them.
If the devs decide to replace skill with RNG at endgame, I'm not going to be very happy. I enjoyed the depth of crafting before 5.1; I don't want a system where you depend mainly on luck.

It's early days still and maybe crafting will get more interesting as the expansion progresses. I hope Ishgard will give us a challenge but it could be just more of the same. Right now crafting feels gutted.

Originally Posted by Solarra

How do I feel about the changes? I agree something had to be done, levelling from 40-50 was an absolute slog and the complexity at endgame was daunting, leading a lot of people to rely on macros made by a few clever people who managed to work it out. However, I think it's too easy now.

It is slightly on the easy side, but then again, the entire game is meant to be casual and laid-back with the exception of Savage, Extreme, and Ultimate content. Can you really look at any MSQ duty and tell me that they are genuinely hard? Heck, the Lv80 end-of-MSQ Trial I got on my first try without looking any videos up.

The change to levelling-speed will be of huge benefit to raiders and people who simply wanted crafters so they could repair their gear (but surely there were better ways of addressing their needs?).
I don't think the changes will affect very rich crafters much, but I do think they'll be detrimental to people taking up crafting in the hope of making gil. With a huge pool of crafters at max level, easier crafting but very little to sell, I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of people getting to 80 and wondering why they bothered.

Well, see... if crafting remains hard, there's very little to sell because only a few are crafting.
If crafting is too easy, then everybody can DIY.

You're going to have very little to sell in either case, except for the endgame stuff which is meant to be hard (not sure how they're actually going to make it hard).

I've already seen people on the forums asking for macros for level 50 crafts and upwards, so I don't think the devs will achieve their aim of reducing dependence on them. A lot of people just want to take the easy path, and even with a simplified system, they're not going to start working things out for themselves if they can get someone else to do the work for them.
If the devs decide to replace skill with RNG at endgame, I'm not going to be very happy. I enjoyed the depth of crafting before 5.1; I don't want a system where you depend mainly on luck.

It's early days still and maybe crafting will get more interesting as the expansion progresses. I hope Ishgard will give us a challenge but it could be just more of the same. Right now crafting feels gutted.

The focus is more on future content I think, rather than current content.

I like the fact 1-80 crafting is easy, and that only Star recipes are hard. It's the way it should be. That way, everybody can enjoy crafting, but yet those who want to go the step further, can find challenge in the Endgame stuff. I don't know what they have planned for Ishgard, or future Star crafting, but hopefully they can find some way to appease the "hardcore" crafters without making normal crafting harder again.

I think crafting is really nice the way it is now, with the exception of endgame being a bit lacking in difficulty.

But you know what?

It was never hard to begin with. It was just a massive gilwall and timewall to build your stats up high enough so you could grab a macro and 100% HQ everything.

Originally Posted by tidas341

I personally think they should of kept careful synthesis 3 ,steady hand 2, comfort zone!!

Losing CZ does kind of suck, but it's not THAT big a deal.

SH2 isn't needed at all with the success rate changes. To be honest, just not having to use SH2 every five steps probably saves more CP than CZ did anyway.
CS3 didn't go anywhere. It's just CS1 now.

Originally Posted by Callinon

To be honest, just not having to use SH2 every five steps probably saves more CP than CZ did anyway.

Not to mention it felt like such a hassle having to do that.

Now the only maintenance buff we have is Waste Not.

But at least with WN, you don't get a big fat BOOM if the buff wore off in an inopportune time, or something, there's still a chance you can complete the synth even if you take an action without WN being up depending on how close you are to running out of CP/Durability. Also the fact that WNII is 8 steps instead of 5 helps a lot too.

I had several times earlier when Excellent proc'd right after WN wore off and I snuck in an extra Touch action to take advantage of that.

With Steady Hands, 99% of the time I tried that, the touch would always fail. Always.

So glad you can do everything with 100% success now. Failures were so lame. And they would happen constantly. I can't count the number of times that I'd have SH2 up and use HT2 and despite me supposedly having what was that 80%? 90%? success with the two combined? and I'd fail 3, 4, 5 in a single recipe.

It was always SO lame when the game decided "Nope, you ain't HQing this no matter what you do".

I am GLAD that is gone.

why so obsessed with wanting high stat tools as rewards? won't that just make it even easier to craft stuff when you all want challenges?