Instanced Housing. We're angry!

[Nix]

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I understand this, and the difficulty associated with growing them (I grow them via intercrossing - gardening is a hobby of mine ingame). That being said, he still makes a valid point - yes you CAN grow them in an apartment, but only if you acquire the seeds through other means, such as from the markets, which then drastically cuts into any profits obtained.

The argument isn't really about what you can/can't grow, the onions are just an example - but more of an argument against those who say "omg just get an apartment!" as if it's a viable substitute when it lacks the functionality of even a small personal house.

[TheForce]

I think you may have missed his point <_>

From my understanding, his point was that when it comes to making money from current estate exclusive items, Apartments should also have access to making and selling them, however, as I laid out in my previous response, that's now how it works. If you open the floodgates and allow the creation of these items via apartments, then you won't be making those hundreds of millions anymore, nobody will. A-side from that, I'm all for improving apartments, but it needs to be done in a smart way.

[Nix]

From my understanding, his point was that when it comes to making money from current estate exclusive items, Apartments should also have access to making and selling them, however, as I laid out in my previous response, that's now how it works. If you open the floodgates and allow the creation of these items via apartments, then you won't be making those hundreds of millions anymore, nobody will. A-side from that, I'm all for improving apartments, but it needs to be done in a smart way.

He was arguing against people saying that apartments are a viable option for those who can't get a house because you can't do the same things with an apartment, such as, growing T. onions. via crossbreeding. He never said that apartments should be able to do this, just that they can't, and that's why he doesn't want to settle for one.

[Leloa]

They are not going to make a new housing system without deleting the one already in game so I don't see this happening. Just like how they stopped multiple houses being owned by one player but they didnt take any houses away from people who already owned multiple plots. It's just a no go for the players who already have a house and they already have a system, they just need to keep fixing it.

[Nix]

They are not going to make a new housing system without deleting the one already in game so I don't see this happening. Just like how they stopped multiple houses being owned by one player but they didnt take any houses away from people who already owned multiple plots. It's just a no go for the players who already have a house and they already have a system, they just need to keep fixing it.

You don't know this, and have no way to know it. Conjecture will get us nowhere.

[Leloa]

You don't know this, and have no way to know it. Conjecture will get us nowhere.

True, but every time something comes up they give an excuse about how there isnt enough memory. I'm mostly saying this to people who think that they would replace housing with a new system completely, because they didnt get a house. If they did, then the other half thats happy with the system now would lash out to the change and no one again would be 100% happy.

[Nix]

True, but every time something comes up they give an excuse about how there isnt enough memory. I'm mostly saying this to people who think that they would replace housing with a new system completely, because they didnt get a house. If they did, then the other half thats happy with the system now would lash out to the change and no one again would be 100% happy.

There are many ways the system could be amended that will 1) allow those who already have their property to keep it, and 2) make it easier for people to obtain property if they wish.

If they were to add instanced housing, there's likely no way that they'd get rid of the wards - perhaps they wouldn't add more, but I don't see them scrapping the wards as they are well-established. Plus,. instanced housing could be added in a way that doesn't devalue the houses in the wards. As others have stated in the many housing threads; they'd be happy to get instanced housing added even if it were grindy/expensive as hell - perhaps even more expensive than what is already available in the wards because at least they would have a fair chance of obtaining it.

Housing doesn't have to be a one-or-the-other system; and I say this as someone who has arguably benefited more from the system than most.

[GojuSuzi]

Well, the general theory of restored Ishguard being instanced housing would solve the issue: everyone have have a 'lonely' house there or try their luck at one of the 'neighbours included' wards.

Instanced houses wouldn't have the need for demo, so many individuals would choose to relocate there rather than risk losing their house because they couldn't sub for a month or whatever, freeing up more spaces on the existing wards, to be used by FCs who actively need a Ward house for a workshop, or individuals who just definitively want a public house.

Gardening with crossbreeding could be done, but given it's an inhospitable environment, there's be a thematically appropriate ability to make it less likely to cross-pollinate or producee seeds and/or reduce crop yield. So yes, everyone can make T.Onions or whatever, but it'd take longer and more effort to grow there than it would in an open Ward garden. While the excessive prices would inevitably drop, that'd stop the market totally crashing, and to be honest it's already unfair that someone who lucked into getting a house can price-gouge someone who didn't so bringing the intercross market down a bit (and limit it to profiting off those who are impatient rather than just unlucky isn't a bad thing).

I'm lucky that my FC wanted a house, but I'm the only one who cares about decorating, so I effectively get as much from it as a personal house, just with added private chamber and workshop. I'm enjoying it so much I'd love to get a personal house, too, even with having the run of the estate. However, having spent so long failing to win the click-spam endurance race that is the housing purchase system for something we needed to access FC content, I cannot bring myself to buy myself a house knowing I'm depriving another FC of what we have finally gotten. Instanced housing would let me get a personal house guilt free, where I can grow stuff in the garden for me (not just T.Onions for my FC mates who refused to pay the "homeless tax" on them on the MB like I have it set up for) and do the silly decorations that they wouldn't approve of (much as they generally don't care, I was banned from moogle and choco themes outside of private chambers, much sad!).


So yeah, instanced housing as an addition would be great, and Ishguard would give a great opportunity to do it in a way that makes sense and restricts it in such a way that it doesn't undermine existing wards without it seeming arbitrary. I'll keep hoping, as I'm sure will many others who are still waiting for plots to free up.