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    If running a parser makes you cynical and depressed, why do it?

    I see a lot of people complain about tank DPS or other people's DPS, why look at others numbers? or even your own if you think SAM or Ninja or BRD or DNC or RDM are now ruined? I really fail to see how people are enjoying the game when they complain about how numbers are so low or that their numbers aren't high enough compared to other people. So really if looking that closely at numbers is hurting your enjoyment of the game, why do it? Does your numbers have to be X amount higher than someone else's for you to be having fun? I can understand running one for self improvement but it seems like this obsession over numbers is just ruining the game for people by causing them to be bitter and cynical.
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    Evelynn Outreguerlain
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    As a healer main who has nothing else to do, the only thing I can enjoy is seeing that my numbers are decently high.
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    Make SCH great again! Seriously though, we just want our class to be fun and engaging again, not OP, is that too much to ask for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Billythepancake View Post
    As a healer main who has nothing else to do, the only thing I can enjoy is seeing that my numbers are decently high.
    That's fine then, if doing that isn't making you cynical or depressed then you aren't who this thread is addressing =)
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    Elan Centauri
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    Some people like to look at numbers to see what they can be doing better, or to simply enjoy seeing how high they go, even if it is to their own detriment at times. Whatever floats their boat. I learned a long time ago during my raiding days in WoW that running a parser just made me do worse and that I was better off learning my class inside and out. So that is exactly what I did. Ever since I haven't had many, if any complaints at all as a hunter main. If I'm playing my class right, and I know that I am, then I don't need extra validation. I still stick to that mentality to this day while playing other games.
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    Last edited by Vahlnir; 10-22-2019 at 08:06 AM.

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    Deceptus Keelon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Billythepancake View Post
    As a healer main who has nothing else to do, the only thing I can enjoy is seeing that my numbers are decently high.
    Being consistently top damage as a WHM during trash pulls makes me smile and frown at the same time.
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    Some people wanna know the truth even if they know the truth will hurt. It's not all too different from reality.
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    Vidu Moriquendi
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    You're packing a lot of things into this, so to adress them one by one. I do want to preface this however by saying that while there is nothing wrong with enjoying the game "blindly" and in a very relaxed sort of way (I think of it as how my mom travels: "Oh, we dont need to worry about catching our train, if we dont, we'll just take the next one!") some people also enjoy the level of performance you can achieve in this game and theres nothing wrong with that either.
    To adress your points seperatly now, though:

    1) Tank DPS: As a tank main I personally never cared to much about it, but I can see why other people do: They're setting themself to a high(er) standard and their reward for that, aka seeing their effort being reflected in a better dps-output. Now I dont know the exact numbers that I read somewhere recently but apparently Tank-dps got stealth-nerfed with Shadowbringers, which means that people who are putting the same amount of effort in as before are now getting less of a reward. I can see why that would piss people off - but at the same time those people still want to know if they're doing at least aswell as the game currently allows them to, so they keep looking at numbers.

    2) Other peoples dps: This is super simple, actually. At least to me it is - because to me its super annoying and feels almost disrespectful when I go into a duty, try my best, push my dps as much as I can and try to achieve perfection only to have all my efforts destroyed by this little dreamer whos only using half their toolkit in a level 80 dungeon and is therefor dealing less damage than the tank. Its just frustrating to know that this 25minute run could have been 15 had that guy at least tried a little bit - of course dungeons arent a race and I get that some people just want to enjoy them at a slower pace, but this is this "reward"-situation again.
    And why look at numbers here? Mainly to ensure yourself that its actually not you whos holding back the group.

    3) DPS jobs who arent dealing enough damage: Specially those jobs need to look at their number to make sure they're making the most of what little they have.
    In regards to thinking that certain jobs are "ruined": To discover jobs being unbalanced its actually important to look at numbers, the devs do so aswell. If a job cant perform well enough in a raid-setting (not enough damage output and/or utilty) you wont find a group when playing this job - so yeah... that job is "ruined" but with reason and it can be fixed.

    You also need to keep in mind that complaining about something doesnt mean you dont enjoy it - infact it might show that you're really passionate about the game. People who complain care about something. People who are upset about changes to their favorite job care about that job - your approach seems to be more on the lines of "so what" and from my perspective thats a terrible stance to take. Because it shouldnt be "so what" if someone cant play their favorite job anymore because groups dont want to take that job with them or because they themself dont feel useful enough to a group.
    The same goes for being upset about other peoples DPS: Its because people care about performance - both theirs and their teammates - instead of just being indifferent to it.

    And at the end of the day, wether or not you look at the numbers or not: They matter. A boss doesnt just drop dead after being hit a random amount of times or after 10 minutes have ellapsed.

    I dont think its seeing numbers thats turning people bitter and cynical - I think its seeing their efforts invalidated by the game itself (job balance) or others (poor performance) thats draining the fun out of the game - and honestly: You dont need a parser for that. I dont need a parser to be annoyed that this RDM didnt cast a single AoE-spell during this expert-roulette and didnt had proper gear on (because I can see both just fine without one). And I dont need a parser to be upset with myself for missing out on some Confiteors (because I know I missed out on them and even why).
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    Last edited by Vidu; 10-23-2019 at 03:57 PM.

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    I don't know if ignorance is really a better approach. Stuff dying 1.5x to 2x slower is something you're gonna notice regardless of parser, the parser just tells you why it's happening, it won't change the annoyance that some people just aren't putting in any effort and expecting other people to put effort for them.

    In a dungeon if DPS aren't using AoEs it means big pulls will be much harder to heal once both tank and healer run out of cooldowns, and you don't need a parser to experience that.

    I'm more curious why are you trying to apologize in behalf of those people who play selfishly.
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    Last edited by alimdia; 10-22-2019 at 08:37 AM.

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    Crushing Fatigue
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    Balmung
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    I like having goals, especially as someone who is still very unused to higher tier raiding. It's nice to see where I am, which isn't too great right now, and then read into what I'm doing that's so different from the top players once you take out gear differences and the like. Other people's DPS doesn't matter to me and never has unless they're sitting there auto-attacking or are a zero-DPS healer in content that isn't hard enough to justify it. Neither of which require me to use a parser to see.
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    Rivin Stormfang
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    Leviathan
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    I've been avoiding picking up a parser ever since I came back to FFXIV specifically for this reason--after 11 years of WoW I ended up resenting DPS meters more than anything. I've found that I'm much happier judging myself by my own performance (did I handle mechanics well, did I do my rotation properly) rather than strictly by numbers. And I'm much, much happier not being able to see anyone else's DPS numbers--that's information I strictly do not need to care about.

    I don't fault other people for using them if they want to, especially savage/ultimate groups where maximizing DPS output really matters. But I hope this game never reaches the point WoW did where it felt like DPS meters were required because everyone was judging you by your DPS.
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