Sujet : Summoner is doing too much in 5.10

The last few pages citing fflogs have all been using "All fights" for the curated dps instead of looking at each individual fight. You cannot do this because some SMNs have extremely padded E1S runs where they phoenix the meteor orb phases and the fight ends just after giving them I think an extra 1000-1400rdps over whoever is just behind them. Making the overall curve favor smn since in every other fight they're about 100-400rdps below blm/sam from what I remember. Obviously can't check at the moment but it's a number skewing the overall average that people seem to think applies to every fight.

Envoyé par Helena480

Sorry if this post was a mess.

RDM rDPS in most fights from what I recall is about 200-500 behind SMN. Which is about where it was in 5.0 most of the time too, except now both classes are pushing much bigger numbers. If this were still the 2000 gap between smn/rdm and blm I would understand the concern but honestly it's not that big of a gap so there's no need to feel concerned playing what you want to play.

Envoyé par Madoka

The last few pages citing fflogs have all been using "All fights" for the curated dps instead of looking at each individual fight. You cannot do this because some SMNs have extremely padded E1S runs where they phoenix the meteor orb phases and the fight ends just after giving them I think an extra 1000-1400rdps over whoever is just behind them. Making the overall curve favor smn since in every other fight they're about 100-400rdps below blm/sam from what I remember. Obviously can't check at the moment but it's a number skewing the overall average that people seem to think applies to every fight.

can't speak for the rest but as for me at least i use 95% parses as max allways gets skewed one way or another and is also generally bad to compare different classes in the sense that 1 class may have several hundred dps swings one way or another completly outside your control while other classes do basically the exact same damage every single try if played the same and can tell you that even e1 excluded summoner up to 95% is basically equal to blm or even above, like 120 higher than blm on levi and 20 below on titan or something like that, e2 is the one fight where blm shines but thats basically a training dummy, if that counts as a "fight" (as far as mechanics actually affecting classes go) than e1 has every right to count as well, padding be damned. you can make the argument that at max parses this doesn't hold true anymore, though in truth we are lacking the data for that conclusion because while blm indeed didn't get changed it had months to reach its top parses, smn had a week, but 95% means literally 19 out of 20 groups would be better of with a summoner than a blackmage