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    Narumi Akiudo
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    Bard Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by wereotter View Post
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    shortening your text not to be disrespectful but i think i would quote twice as much as i say myself otherwise and that feels kinda bad so well...

    lets for a moment forget about utility buffs, natures minne and things like that obviously need some weighting to a class performance but thats not what i meant, i literally mean nothing but the dps buff

    why do you think it is worse if the raid dps is 100 higher with bard than mch because of the raidbuff compared to the other way around ? thats the point i can't see, why would a theoretical bard without natures minne/wardens paen being 100 raid dps above mch make mch obsolete, yet a mch being 100 dps above bard doesn't do the same to bard ? the argument people generally make implies the pure damage buff itself should carry a penalty higher than the buff it offers, therefore the question. obviously one way or another its impossible to get the balance absolutely perfectly on point, but as we are talking design goals here i think the question is fair.


    the crit buff in particular scaling exponentionally while true i still believe is a bad argument to overcompensate because that would mean you balance a class right now as being too weak because "in 3 patches when everyone has another 60 item levels it will sort itself out" can you balance like that ? sure, but should you really ? especially as thats not even necessarely happening as it says nothing about how the class itself scales
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    Last edited by Akiudo; 11-05-2019 at 07:11 AM.

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    Antony Gabbiani
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    Viper Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Akiudo View Post
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    I have to say I'm not terribly knowledgable regarding the discrepancies of the output on the physical ranged jobs.... so I'm going to go at your example and say that if the difference between a bard and a machinist playing at equal skill levels is 100 DPS then that's a difference that regardless of which way it leaned in favor of, I'd be okay with. The jobs are never exactly balanced 100% so we just kind of have to accept that there will be some jobs that do slightly more and some that do slightly less.

    It definitely feels bad to be the one doing less. I saw that as someone who was playing red mage for raid this expansion up till this patch. So I really do understand the feel bad when you look at the others in your role outperforming you. If the discrepancy is large, then definitely it's something that should be fixed. If it's small, then I would just say to roll with it. Sometimes some jobs in a role do slightly better than the others, sometimes they do slightly worse, and the best we can hope for is to be close to the same once party buffs are taken into consideration.

    Though there will be people who want to squeeze out every last point of DPS from the team as possible, and will refuse entry for certain jobs, most players will look at such a minor discrepancy and roll with it. In fact sometimes even if the bard is slightly lower, some players will look at it and think "yeah, but they're raising MY DPS" and insist on the bard anyway.

    As far as the crit buff, I only say that it will even out in the long term because nerfing jobs has been notoriously unpopular and Square tends to save those changes for the major expansions. Giving a job a buff that's balanced now but is over powered in a year or two will only cause more problems down the line, which is probably why the developers were cautious about it right now. Bard song buffs were really strong in Stormblood, and they don't want to go down that rabbit hole again. Easier to buff bard more in the future than over adjust it now and have to justify nerfing it.

    That said, if your job is suffering being too far behind machinist, I do hope for you and all people who main it that the discrepancy is adjusted sooner than later.
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