Thread: Summoner is doing too much in 5.10

Originally Posted by Nemekh

When those of us over at Akhmorning/The Balance projected the expected DPS gains for the 5.10 Summoner's changes, we expected healthy increases from the DoT potency and Ruin IV increases before accounting for pet scaling changes.

We then tried to account for pet scaling with the new Egi Assaults, assuming the scaling before 5.10. Numbers appeared elevated especially in relation to other DPS jobs.

Now that the patch is live, melee pets (Topaz, Ifrit, Titan) scale the same as caster pets, that is, Garuda Egi and both Demi-Summons.

This pushes overall Summoner damage way beyond in relation to every job, perhaps even eclipsing Black Mage in RDPS, while having the increased mobility, increased survival with 30% Earthen Armor and being a raise caster.

I said on my podcast and in my discord channels that if Summoner ended up being too strong with the final changes, I would bring it up. This is my doing so. The pet changes are exactly what I had expected they would be.

Summoner being this high is going to break things, with the DPS that didn't increase as much, in particular Red Mage given their shared role as a fellow raise caster, being the ones who will suffer the most from this change in the long term.

Square Enix, I implore you to please look into tuning numbers for the sake of overall game balance.

Little dramatic and pre mature on day 1

Originally Posted by Nemekh

That's actually the dog of my old friend, SemJay. Qoppa was a good pittie.

Really? That's quite a coincidence, just googled the image and thought he looked hilarious. RIP Qoppa.

Originally Posted by AbelArchaniEA

Little dramatic and pre mature on day 1

If you have the potencies and can chart the ideal timings, you have the numbers.

Originally Posted by AbelArchaniEA

Little dramatic and pre mature on day 1

Summoners being overreacting drama queens? Say it isn’t so. /roll eyes

This isn’t a jab at you by the way Abel.

Originally Posted by Razard

Summoners being overreacting drama queens? Say it isn’t so. /roll eyes

This isn’t a jab at you by the way Abel.

I’m just saying that there is no real viable data yet across all jobs so he needs to dial it back until people can evaluate all classes.

Originally Posted by AbelArchaniEA

I’m just saying that there is no real viable data yet across all jobs so he needs to dial it back until people can evaluate all classes.

When it comes to The Balance, those people actually have fairly accurate models and they try to sim the class before it's even released with all available data, so once they it comes out, it's simply a matter of updating the numbers that are wrong because nothing new will be happening outside of potency adjusts or the like.

So if they think the class is doing too much damage, there's a very good probability that the numbers will reflect Summoner doing too much damage.

The change is definitely an improvement from before because the job was an oGCD mess, but now after trying it out the problems with the job seem very apparent. None of our three major mechanics interact at all. Aetherflow, DWT/Demis, and our Egi's are all separate from each other. I'm sure there is rotation that might have it all flow together or at the last it'll be theory crafted into the "best" way to use them to maximize dps, but it still feels disjointed. In stormblood when we spent aetherflow to unlock DWT/Demis it felt so much better because our mechanics were interacting with each other.

I'm going to stick to my guns and say that the reason for all of this is because summoner is trying to be two jobs at once. The old arcanist with diseases/aetherflow and the new summoner with demis. It used to be able to do both but now that they added egi interaction it's just way too much action bloat. They need to commit to the job being a summoner. Something as simple as spending aetherflow on egi assault I&II instead of Fester/Painflare and then having that action link into unlocking DWT/Demis like it used to.