Quote Originally Posted by Puksi View Post
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It seems a bit of a stretch to compare what the Ascians are doing to trampling an anthill, when discussing the bodily autonomy of a mother and child, no less. And while the theorycrafting on Tempering is interesting, there is still one very large difference between Vauthry and Emet-Selch: Vauthry was never given a choice if he wanted to be "Tempered" or not. The people of The First were never given a choice if they wanted to sacrifice themselves, as Zodiark was summoned by willing sacrifices. Emet-Selch was able to choose his path with free will, fully aware of the consequences it could bring to be tempered by an Elder Primal (although he said he would still have done everything he's done regardless of tempering).
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I do not see it as a stretch, though. We humans do all kinds of experimentation not even with animals, but with our own kind. And if for unsundered Ascians we are less than human, welp. My point is that we are hardly in the situation to judge the Ascians as evil because of their deeds. Anyways, as Emet said, it is a matter of moral relativism and I am not going to delve into that.

And about Zodiark's tempering, I highly doubt the Ancients knew summoning Him would temper them. As far as we know, their greater experiments about summoning, or phantomology as they called it, were the Guardian Forces as we see in Akadaemia Anyder. So I would not blame them for their own tempering. If anything, I would blame those who summoned Hydaelyn, because they knew the consequences and still went through that. I have quite the issues with the implications of Hydaelyn's summoning, but that is material for a whole different debate.-