Thread: Revelations from Patch 5.1

One thought on the MSQ I have not seen brought up:

I know this is a very small personal peeve in light of the cliffhanger ending, but in regards to the Eulmore arc -- are we ever going to be permitted to set the record straight about Vauthry's father, and what was done to Vauthry and his mother? It's so frustrating smiling and nodding and agreeing with everyone about Vauthry now, knowing the truth, and it was especially off-putting listening to what a good Eulmore his father ran, which is contrary to his deal with Emet-Selch. He had at least twenty years to continue ruling Eulmore before Vauthry took the reins. The writers dropped such a bomb on us in the Immaculate cutscene, it's so weird they just ignore it entirely everywhere else and simplify to "Vauthry evil", although the guy never stood a chance. It doesn't feel heroic, I guess?

But then again the creep who sold Yotsuyu got off scot-free too, so welp

Originally Posted by DaBigDorf

You mean her father? Didn't she kill him?

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Her former "master" Jifuya, from the quest Elation And Trepidation. He bought her off her adoptive father, and in turn he sold her off to the clientele of his brothel. So I guess both sold her, and she did kill her father, but Jifuya? He is in the Doman Liberation Front, and he was politely (and very non-judgmentally) given a new post when he revealed his past (and how he joined not for the greater good, but simply to escape her wrath when she became viceroy).

Would her adoptive parents have met any sort of punishment for what they did to her if they had lived? I'm not so sure.

It just feels extra skeevy to gloss over what the former mayor allowed Emet-Selch to do to his wife and child, I guess, because Yotsuyu was afforded some sympathy by the narrative, but Vauthry never is? His mother was given no chance to refuse, they decided everything for her while she stood there looking frightened, and it doomed him before he was even born. We know the truth, we're the heroic and trusted Warrior Of Darkness, and we just stand there silent every time someone waxes on how horrible he was, even when Wrenden went on how Eulmore was for THE PEOPLE when his dad was in charge. I mean the stoic silent hero is a running gag at this point but come on, Vauthry's father literally schemed to "rule the world" lmao.

Originally Posted by Puksi

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Her former "master" Jifuya, from the quest Elation And Trepidation. He bought her off her adoptive father, and in turn he sold her off to the clientele of his brothel. So I guess both sold her, and she did kill her father, but Jifuya? He is in the Doman Liberation Front, and he was politely (and very non-judgmentally) given a new post when he revealed his past (and how he joined not for the greater good, but simply to escape her wrath when she became viceroy).

Would her adoptive parents have met any sort of punishment for what they did to her if they had lived? I'm not so sure.

It just feels extra skeevy to gloss over what the former mayor allowed Emet-Selch to do to his wife and child, I guess, because Yotsuyu was afforded some sympathy by the narrative, but Vauthry never is? His mother was given no chance to refuse, they decided everything for her while she stood there looking frightened, and it doomed him before he was even born. We know the truth, we're the heroic and trusted Warrior Of Darkness, and we just stand there silent every time someone waxes on how horrible he was, even when Wrenden went on how Eulmore was for THE PEOPLE when his dad was in charge. I mean the stoic silent hero is a running gag at this point but come on, Vauthry's father literally schemed to "rule the world" lmao.

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I agree that there is some sympathy towards Vauthry that is rather glossed over: he is Innocence because he truly believes himself innocent, since he has been told the moment he was born that he was a god-like being that could not be wrong. Vauthry is pretty much a construct, and the responsibility lies in his father's choice and education. Emet's suggestion sounds wicked and cruel but in his eyes he probably thought that while ensuring Light's hold onto the First he would also give the people some reprieve from the sin eaters; after the Lakeland duty, Emet laments that he did not imagine Vauthry capable of unleashing his army for anything, so I would say he merely left the decision to Vauthry's father. He does mention that most of the times all he does is sowing the seeds of chaos and it is man who tends them, and this is an example.

All the discussion about those who got away after doing heinous deeds makes me think of the sin eaters and the whole "forgiveness" theme. Sin eaters kill, and you transform into a "Forgiven Whatever" and that is it. What is the purpose, then? The theme is brought up again with Cylva's sidequest and how she pleads to be killed for her sins, and you refuse arguing that the living have no use for her death. This is actually something that I have said many times: I loathe the Redemption Equals Death trope. What I would like to see is keeping the memories and still forging a new life. Aye, I am eyeing Hades here, I regret nothing. I am convinced he is not yet off the picture.

MSQ

Well... that confirmed a lot of headcanons about the link between bodies and souls.

The one thing I find weird about the whole "untempering" thing is what do you do with a Primal that has no obvious aether element? Like oh... Lakshmi? As much as the process for "fixing" people with too much light is about decreasing souls that have too much of a certain aether-type, we've seen primals that don't have obvious aether elements to go on, and instead are more about the concept. Thordan comes to mind... as does Tuskiyomi... or Moggle Mog... or Bahamut, who is infamous for being the only example of a Primal that has "reversed" someone's tempering...

The part with Eulmore was predictable, but good. Tying up all the loose ends there is important.

Garlemald is where things get dicey. Black Rose has been taken care of, but apparently someone has been playing around with Ultima Weapon type stuff, which isn't good. As a side note, we've seen an entire line of Ultima Weapon-like machines come out of Allag that didn't make use of the Heart of Sabik for an aether source. I can easily see Garlemald adapting some of those ideas. I think the main issue is if there's more then one of those things or if they can be mass-produced. Since that would be a big problem for Eorzea.

Given what happened with Solus died, I'm not surprised we're seeing Legions fighting over Garlemald. Or rather... it's probably more their Legati who are fighting over Garlemald. And to make matters worse, they probably know the provinces would have a field day going against the Legions themselves if they thought it could work. Garlemald is a powder keg ready to blow and anyone who might be interested in saving it has better things to do.

Zenos... he's a loose canon. I fully expect him to go drag the plot off in a random direction just because he's incapable of being entertained. Still hate him. Really want him gone from the story. I view him more as a walking Diablos Ex Machina for the story team more then a character at this point. He's just so boring when it comes to character development. Wondering about who he's dealing with is just like... why bother? The story will tell us when it wants to and he'll try to break the world again and we'll try to mitigate what he's doing again. Yawn.

I am very curious what the item was that Gaius thought was in Garlemald and turned out not to be. If he's going after it, it's probably important for his vendetta against the Ascians. I smell a McGuffin on the horizon...

Ardbert showing up again... I don't think him trying to be the "Warrior of Light" will work quite like he (whoever it is) will. Light almost destroyed the 1st Shard. Even we go by the title of Warrior of Darkness there. I don't see people thinking he's a good guy if he goes by that title. If this was the Source, I think it would work. On the 1st Shard... not so much.

NieR Raid
Spoilers for NieR: Automana in this

First up... everything in this looks and sounds right. Remembering how certain bosses' attacks worked in Automana works just fine here. I keep getting hit by stuff because I think I have my dodge key, and I miss it terribly. A huge round of applause for SE for nailing the aesthetic of everything, whether that is the new machine designs or all the hacking effects.

The first three bosses were about what I expected. The last one... oh boy. Seeing what feels like 9S from the end of Route C meet up with a version of 2B that doesn't seem to have any emotional attachment towards him is a punch in the gut. And it makes how the story will go a lot more unpredictable which... it's Yoko Taro... seeing him play around with AUs of his own characters is fun. I am very interested why 2P is what looks like a reskin of 2B in this while 9S is not. And even more interesting... there's more androids out there...

The section after the 24-man raid of exploring the raid itself was a great idea. There's often been times where I've wanted to go back to dungeon/raid maps to leisurely explore them and having it built into the quest itself was a nice change of pace. And of course, it couldn't be a Yoko Taro story without a bunch of left-over data to find that fills in some gaps in what is going on while creating even more questions.

Finding out where the story goes from here is going to be fun. Also... which route did people take? And do you take 9S with you at the end of both routes? I went with Anogg and we did take 9S with us at the end. Thank goodness this will probably be on New Game+ eventually...

Pixie Beast Tribe

Seems like we'll be going into what Titania was like before they became a Lightwarden in this one (and maybe after?). Seeing how the pixies fun loving nature effects people outside of Il Mheg is neat. Especially since they seem to have a nice "everyone wins" approach to it. At least for now.

Kai-Sheer

I don't know if it's just me, but I feel like there's something lost in translation with this quest over all. Maybe because with the bonded, you've got the issue of people all but being forced to work at jobs they don't necessarily want to do... and then have what's pretty much a nightclub staffed by those people, but run by someone who doesn't have those restrictions. Like... I get the idea of what they're trying to do with this quest I think, but it feels like the issue of "do the people working here really want to work here" is being danced around. And that makes me... apprehensive...

I kinda hope it gets addressed at some point, since it's a little too obvious what tropes they are invoking with the Beehive without going too far over the line... And that kind of setting gets really messy in real life.

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MSQ

I think Rocl's right (and I'd already suggested the same myself prior to 5.0) that at least one of the Scions is not coming back, and Thancred is probably the prime candidate. If the Shadowbringers story is wrapping up in 5.3, that's a patch too soon for the end of Eden, so either all of the Scions stick around in the First until 5.4 (and probably 5.5), or Thancred accepts he can never go home.


On a lighter note, I don't think I've laughed as much during a set of quests as in 5.1.

I was yelling at Urianger that white auracite was bad from the moment he suggested it, so I'm glad they seem to have shelved that plan.



The Garlean grafted into the Ultima protoype was pretty grim. There is some strange stuff going on there.

Post-MSQ Quest

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